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News: Veganism exposed
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Feed me those Vegetables

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Originally posted by Ramos
I will still eat my beef burger.
Thank you very much.
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Originally posted by RainDreamer
I don't care about the world that much 
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Originally posted by Pop
I know all the deets, but I still love a beautiful slice of beef tenderloin.
I also support fur.

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humanity's cancer  people who choose self destruct from ignorance
anyways i think its ridiculous to assume that people should eliminate meat consumption completely however i'm in favor of cutting meat consumption considerably
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Cause, baby, I could build a beef castle out of all the steaks they threw at me.
The best people in life are meat-free.
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Originally posted by xclusivestylesz
No thanks. I'm not a deer
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
Vegans are the new Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Originally posted by Pop
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Lol omg this pic?! Gaga gives the funniest pics!!
Ot--- yeah no! Veganism isn't sustainable or attainable for the whole world! And you would be causing the near exinction of these farm animals who would become completely useless to us and can't fend for themselves.
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Ok but there's a difference between preaching fairy tales and preaching the saving of LIVES and the planet, stay mad 
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Not really.
If you take the time, I'm sure you can find validated studies whose conclusions combat nearly everything claimed in the OP's sources.
I especially remember one that mentioned the greenhouse effect is actually worse, considering the resources involved to grow veggies and fruits.
http://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/arch...vironment.html
And let's not forget how often the scientific/"health" community is totally WRONG on almost all of their recommendations for health, which they don't admit til decades later; low-fat diets being better, margarine being better than lard/butter, saturated fat being the devil, high GI foods being the enemy, eating every 3 hours burning more calories than prolonged intervals, and a million more I'm sure...
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Originally posted by IBeMe
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ATRL Contributor
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Mess, I read "vaginism". 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I've realized this since I was 5
People are so evil and ignorant and they don't even realize it.. but that is just human nature, unfortunately. We are all animals
People will do the worst things as long as society approves of it, trust me.
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Originally posted by inspiration4
Not really.
If you take the time, I'm sure you can find validated studies whose conclusions combat nearly everything claimed in the OP's sources.
I especially remember one that mentioned the greenhouse effect is actually worse, considering the resources involved to grow veggies and fruits.
http://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/arch...vironment.html
And let's not forget how often the scientific/"health" community is totally WRONG on almost all of their recommendations for health, which they don't admit til decades later; low-fat diets being better, margarine being better than lard/butter, saturated fat being the devil, high GI foods being the enemy, eating every 3 hours burning more calories than prolonged intervals, and a million more I'm sure...
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I'm glad you brought this up!
It seem the "validated study" you're referring to is the lettuce / bacon one - which was not only proven false,but the creators of the study actually came forward to address media mis-information, saying this;
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The authors of the response seem almost horrified that the study and its press release might imply to casual consumers of science and food news that a vegetarian diet could be more harmful to the environment than a meat-based diet. “Contrary to the media’s misinterpretation of the science, the climate impact of pork is over four times higher per serving than vegetables (4). Dairy’s impact is over five times higher, and the impact of meat from ruminant animals (e.g., beef) is over 23 times higher,” reads the response’s own press release.
In the USA, there is considerable political opposition to addressing climate change, and strong cultural barriers to reducing meat consumption. Sending a message indicating meat may be a preferable food choice, without adequate supporting evidence, runs counter to climate mitigation efforts and the best interests of future generations.
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Originally posted by RightAsRain
Lol omg this pic?! Gaga gives the funniest pics!!
Ot--- yeah no! Veganism isn't sustainable or attainable for the whole world! And you would be causing the near exinction of these farm animals who would become completely useless to us and can't fend for themselves.
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I'm glad you said more than just "**** dat stupid vegan" - thank you, I appreciate it.
The fallacy in this argument is that there are animals alive today that we don't eat - if animals have to be eaten to stop them from becoming extinct, then there should be no animals alive today that are not eaten. Here's some more information on this.
There are many wild pigs, cows, sheep, chickens, etc. - contrary to popular belief, their existence hasn't come about because one day we decided to eat them. If we stop breeding them at such high rates in such an environmentally destructive industry, their population growth rates would return to normal and many would thrive in the wild.
Thank you for caring! 
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i didn't need to read all of this pointless propaganda
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Delete it skinny! I'm gonna keep eating my meat and ain't no photosynthesizer is gonna make me do otherwise! #CLAPBACK
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I don't see an issue with going vegan, especially if you're conscious of animals, but I think studies like in the OP are biased when comparing diets with red meat.
The main reason why I don't think going vegan is the "natural" diet people should consume is because a vegan diet lacks vital minerals like calcium and vitamin D. There are VERY few non-vegan foods that are not from animals (i.e. dairy) and thus require a vitamin supplement, which almost always are cased with various toxins and chemicals to seal the binding and ultimately don't supplement the nutrition you should get from foods, which is the best source for any minerals. This is evidence enough that red meat is damn near mandatory for a natural, balanced diet.
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Originally posted by $AVE DAT MONEY
i really wanna go vegan! im gonna try it once im out on my own in the world, rn i have to eat what my family does.
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Same.
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Originally posted by kyogul
I don't see an issue with going vegan, especially if you're conscious of animals, but I think studies like in the OP are biased when comparing diets with red meat.
The main reason why I don't think going vegan is the "natural" diet people should consume is because a vegan diet lacks vital minerals like calcium and vitamin D. There are VERY few non-vegan foods that are not from animals (i.e. dairy) and thus require a vitamin supplement, which almost always are cased with various toxins and chemicals to seal the binding and ultimately don't supplement the nutrition you should get from foods, which is the best source for any minerals. This is evidence enough that red meat is damn near mandatory for a natural, balanced diet.
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Thank you for bringing up this concern! It's certainly a common one, but I can assure you it's no worry
First off all, I'm not sure what you mean when you say "there are VERY few non-vegan foods that are not from animals" - there's none. The only non-vegan foods are from animals. I think you mean vegan sources of the vitamins listed? There's a tonne for calcium! As for vitamin D, I totally get your inhibition! You'll still be able to get a good amount in mushrooms and orange juice if you seek them out. Contrary to popular belief, Vitamin D is only present in dairy if it's fortified and as for one of it's most plentiful sources, the flesh of salmon - you'd need to eat 100g a day to fulfil your RDI. For that reason, many trained dieticians, nutritionists and doctors will commonly suggest a supplementation of Vitamin D along with a healthy diet. You also might like to know that science has actually recently indicated that what we thought to be the best source of calcium (milk), in fact depletes calcium from our bones. Check it out here.
Here are some wonderful sources for calcium! Have a lovely day

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Those are terrible sources of calcium. The calcium found in those plants you're referencing isn't very bioavailable. In order to meet the recommended levels you'd need to take some form of supplement.
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Originally posted by Goaty
Those are terrible sources of calcium. The calcium found in those plants you're referencing isn't very bioavailable. In order to meet the recommended levels you'd need to take some form of supplement.
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Thank you for your concern - your attention to health and nutrition is fantastic! Here's some information on getting your full intake, as well as a video (and a second one) about vegan blood test results that should quell some concerns if you're interested in pursuing a kinder, lower carbon diet. Much love! 
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And that decision of the WHO to lump red meat in with the likes of cigarettes is complete garbage. I looked into the study quite extensively and the methodology isn't very conclusive.
I'm supposed to restrict my meat intake because red meat is "probably carcinogenic to humans" -- probably -- and this was because a link was found between meat and cancer in a damn petri dish in a lab. Color me unconvinced.
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