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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
These arguments are so incredibly ignorant that I feel like I shouldn't even bother.
The fact remains, if our ancestors didn't even meat, we wouldn't be here today. That's a scientific fact. You can twist it however you want, and choose selective arguments as you have done (as all Vegans do) but without eating Meat, humans would not be where they are today.
And it's also proven that a Vegan diet actually shrinks your brain without supplements and long non-bias findings will show supplements don't do nearly as much as the real thing.
Non bias being people who have died or suffered serious illness due to lack of B12 even with supplements.
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Your attention to health and nutrition is wonderful - good on you for going further than many will in your research. I did some research about the "study proving vegan diet shrinking your brain", and it seems you're referring to the American Academy of Neurology Journal + Oxford University study? These seem to be the only out there. I too was curious about these claims and here are some responses I found.
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As a Creighton University student, part of my tuition pays for me to access nearly every medical journal on the planet, Neurology is no exception. I took the time to read the entire article, I was puzzled by the fact that the words "vegetarian", "vegetable", "meat", and "vegan" did not appear a single time in the entire article. From my reading here are the basic facts demonstrated by this study:
-Low levels of B12 can adversely affect brain size in old age.
-Dietary intake of high amounts of B12 can belay this problem.
-B12 supplements were not studied to see if they had an effect on brain shrinkage.
That's all the study says. Nothing more, nothing less. I know you that you have a quote from Anna Vogiatzoglou, in which she states that meat is high in B12 and therefore could curb brain shrinkage. A statement, which, I don't disagree with. But, the claim that a vegetable only diet is risky is an inference made on YOUR end, not her's and not the study's. QUED, your desire to lambaste vegetarians is obvious by your headline, since you ignore the information in Anna Vogiatzoglou statement that fortified cereals are a viable source of B12, according to the Federal Office of Dietary Supplements website fortified cereal is the third highest source of B12 offering 100% of the daily recommended intake in only 3/4 cup, two foods of higher value are mollusks and liver, which I'm sure most Americans eat everyday, right? The Office of Dietary Supplements does recommend that vegetarians take a B12 supplement to offset a lack of B12 from meat eating and this is good, sound advice of which this study fails to refute. So long as people who eat vegetable-only diets take a B12 substitute, they are at no greater risk than the general meat eating population. However, I want to ask you, what dietary supplement can meat eaters take to offset the high cholesterol, saturated fat, indigestion, and myriad other health problems related to eating meat? The answer is none, eating meat is generally unhealthy. That's not to say plant based diets are free from worry, but it's much easier to offset any dietary deficiency with a simple pill.
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Low B-12 status is linked with cognitive decline. Nowhere in the study did they compare B-12 taken by supplement with B-12 ingested from food so the conclusion that vegan diets will cause brain shrinkage is a total fallacy in logic. Of course it is important for vegans to ensure a reliable source of B-12 through supplements or fortified foods. You might even consider getting bloodwork if you are concerned and want to know where you stand. Many dietitians recommend supplements for all people over 50 as one's ability to absorb B-12 declines with age.
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This sounds like another sensationalized article. The study says that low B-12 levels can be associated with brain shrinkage, not vegan diets. Yes, you can wind up with a B-12 deficiency on a vegan diet if you don't supplement. You can also wind up with a B-12 deficiency eating the standard American diet. I'd rather remain vegan and supplement B-12 than wind up with a stroke or plaque build-up in the blood vessels of my brain -- both of which I imagine would cause some brain damage as well. As a twenty year vegan who is a member of Mensa and who has two kids who've been vegetarian their entire lives and are at least as bright as am I, I'm not all that worried about our brains having been damaged by our diets ;-)!
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Other research suggests that a third of the global population could be suffering from B12 deficiency (larger than the global rate of vegetarians/vegans) - and doctors are prescribing supplements left and right, to meat eaters and vego's alike. Your statement is certainly cause for alarm, in what situations have peopled died even with adequate supplements and good diet? I don't consider an issue such as this as threatening as the l eading global cause of death, coronary heart disease - which we know occurs due to a build-up of substances, namely cholesterol (found only in animal products) in the arteries. What do you think? Thank you for encouraging stimulating discussion! 
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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I would if someone can present me an affordable, easy to prepare, balanced and tasty diet.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
For those who are interested;
http://m.livescience.com/47398-vitam...pplements.html
Concreted Vitamin D found in Supplements are actually likely to cause a cancer risk, and do nothing to prevent memory loss, loss of mental state, heart attacks and many other things that eating a non-vegan diet would. |
Again, thanks for linking me to a source!
I don't quite understand the link between the source and what you're saying though, given these things I found in your post:
"The typical American diet meets or exceeds the daily recommended amount of vitamin B12."
"Low levels of vitamin B12 are commonly linked to health problems, but recent research found that having abnormally high levels of vitamin B12 in the blood may indicate a cancer risk."
"Vitamin B12 supplements are purported to reduce the risk of breast cancer, lung cancer and cervical cancer."
"Vitamin B12 has a low risk of overdose in the body. For this reason, the Institute of Medicine does not set a limit on how much vitamin B12 a person can safely take in a day."
I understand they've said this;
"Vitamin B12 supplements can treat a deficiency, but dietitians recommend getting your vitamin B12 from food, if possible, before trying a supplement." - because the same occurs with all supplements.
And I'm not sure why Vitamin D has been mentioned, I do not supplement this - nor is there a specific need for vegans to do so, like there is for B12. Thank you for letting me know though!
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Originally posted by Javan
I would if someone can present me an affordable, easy to prepare, balanced and tasty diet.
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Hit me up if you're considering! I got tonnes of cool stuff to share if you PM me.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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I don't care about the world and not eating meat won't make me healthy and immortal but will make me less happier. Also what's the goal of this "cult"? I swear if they try to ban meat I will have to kill and eat them
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My grandpa is a active 97 year old and he ate meet all his life lol
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No thanks. I'm completely against the way animals are treated currently and loathe our society for the way that animals suffer horrific abuse to become meals on our plates, but I really don't have a problem with the actual eating of meat/animal products. If animals were treated in a humane way, then I would be absolutely fine with it, but since they're not, I feel guilty for eating animals/animal products. But veganism is just plain silly to me.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Siberian Tiger
I don't care about the world and not eating meat won't make me healthy and immortal but will make me less happier. Also what's the goal of this "cult"? I swear if they try to ban meat I will have to kill and eat them
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We're not really a cult, just joking! 
My goal as a vegan is to cut out foods I know to be unhealthy in my diet, help save the environment (by targeting the number one cause of climate change) and eliminate all need for animals to be artificially inseminated, taken from parents, killed, slaughtered and treated unkindly. There's tonnes of things I never knew about before that happen in animal agriculture. 
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Originally posted by HEARTCORE
No thanks. I'm completely against the way animals are treated currently and loathe our society for the way that animals suffer horrific abuse to become meals on our plates, but I really don't have a problem with the actual eating of meat/animal products. If animals were treated in a humane way, then I would be absolutely fine with it, but since they're not, I feel guilty for eating animals/animal products. But veganism is just plain silly to me.
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I'm glad you're against animal abuse! 
Don't "I really don't have a problem with the actual eating of meat/animal products" and "I feel guilty for eating animals/animal products" directly conflict? The humane slaughter could perhaps be a good idea, but any ideas on how to humanely murder someone? I can't seem to find one yet.
These kinda sum up some of my thoughts on them in a comedic way;
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I'll stick to my perfectly fine balanced diet
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It's all about the balance. To be extreme about anything is never the answer.
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Originally posted by Cas
It's all about the balance. To be extreme about anything is never the answer.
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This.
I'm not cutting meat out of my diet 
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Originally posted by zzmyth
that is yourself feeling inferior babe.
No one is superior. But changing little things can make HUGE diference
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Right, the inferiority complex.
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Member Since: 7/22/2010
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I have two vegan friends and they cook delicious food. This week one of them brought us some kind of chocolate cake and it was so good. 
But yeah I'm not going vegan. I like my milk and meat.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by HEIDI
Right, the inferiority complex. |
I actually admire and look up to those who are vegan/vegetarian.
Thanks for proving my point, too.
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The world switching to veganism would **** up the global ecosystem though
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Member Since: 2/4/2014
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Originally posted by SilencePlease
I actually admire and look up to those who are vegan/vegetarian.
Thanks for proving my point, too.
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What point did I prove? That you think all vegans boast about how superior they are (a complete lie and a byproduct of your inferiority complex)?
Think your posts through.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by HEIDI
What point did I prove?
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Originally posted by SilencePlease
I get you want to be vegetarians but can't you stop judging those who aren't?
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Right, the inferiority complex. |
Do you need more explanation?
Also, keep your sassy attitude to SYG. Thx.
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I think my admiration towards vegans could be just that: admiration. No need to say there is a psychological problem behind it.
I'm done with you here I'll let you have the last reply since you surely love that.
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Originally posted by IBeMe
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God vegans are like Jehova's Witnesses but with a way more inflated ego. Let others eat their ****ing meat if they want to and stfu.
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