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				Scared.......no. Usually the Democratic nominees have a history of uniting their voters when one wins the primary but Bernie sounds like he has no interest in doing so. Hillary already said that If Bernie won that she would endorse him just like she did for Obama in 2008. People like to call Bernie the nice guy but in reality he seems to have tunnel vision and absolutely not care about the democratic party at all. Its either his way or no way and that is something that is getting people annoyed. 
			
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 BOO HOO
No one but HillaryBots care, get over it  
 
  
 
 
  
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No one but HillaryBots care, get over it 
			
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 Not true, there's a reason Bernie is the only of the two that is frequently asked how he plans to work with Republicans in Congress. Hillary has a record of being able to compromise, Bernie has always been his way, or the highway, and that does not work in our government whatsoever. And, frankly, I am happy that it is setup like that. We don't need a dictatorship.  
 
  
 
 
  
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				The delusion   
He's clearly the best candidate for the job and the global community would agree. Trump is the total opposite (and the global community agree on that too)  
			
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 Yeah, Bernie has the most global impact   
Poor Secretary of State  
 
  
 
 
  
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				Not true, there's a reason Bernie is the only of the two that is frequently asked how he plans to work with Republicans in Congress. Hillary has a record of being able to compromise, Bernie has always been his way, or the highway, and that does not work in our government whatsoever. And, frankly, I am happy that it is setup like that. We don't need a dictatorship. 
			
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 He wants to work with Democrats. Republicans are never going to agree with his plans no matter what. They don't want free healthcare, free tuition, higher minimum wages, etc. They won't work with Hillary on Obamacare or raising the minimum wage either. Maybe debt-free tuition, but that won't work in practice anyway.
 
I don't see the point in trying to compromise with stubborn Republicans    
 
  
 
 
  
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 Is it possible for Hillary to lock up the nomination before the California primary (June 7) if Bernie does not drop out? 
 
  
 
 
  
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				He wants to work with Democrats. 
			
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 Then why is he suing them??
 
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				Republicans are never going to agree with his plans no matter what. They don't want free healthcare, free tuition, higher minimum wages, etc. They won't work with Hillary on Obamacare or raising the minimum wage either. Maybe debt-free tuition, but that won't work in practice anyway.
			
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 Hillary was able to pass the Children's Health Insurance Program in the 90s with overwhelming bipartisan support. The thing is, compromise is achievable. Saying, "Welp, compromise can't be done, so let's not try" is not a good argument in any way, Marvin. That's why I am voting for Hillary because she has acknowledged the importance of compromise and Bernie simply has not. He's the kid in a school group project that you would hate to work with.
 
Also, Hillary's debt-free tuition would work fine in practice. If it doesn't work in practice (as per your claim), then Bernie's more ambitious free tuition program, by extension, will also not work.
 
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				I don't see the point in trying to compromise with stubborn Republicans  
			
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 Maybe because they control Congress. You know, the part of our government that passes laws and legislation?    
 
  
 
 
  
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				Is it possible for Hillary to lock up the nomination before the California primary (June 7) if Bernie does not drop out? 
			
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 With superdelegates included, she has a very high chance of passing the 2,383 threshold before then. Without it, it's about 50-50. Depends on how she does in the upcoming huge contests of Maryland, Washington State, New York, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey mostly  
 
  
 
 
  
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				lol yeah, none 
 
But Hawaii I guess. I wouldn't bet on it at all though 
			
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 In terms on likelihood. Iowa >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawaii > Washington >>>>>>>>>>> Alaska
 
I used Iowa as a point of comparison.    
 
  
 
 
  
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				Then why is he suing them?? 
Hillary was able to pass the Children's Health Insurance Program in the 90s with overwhelming bipartisan support. The thing is, compromise is achievable. Saying, "Welp, compromise can't be done, so let's not try" is not a good argument in any way, Marvin. That's why I am voting for Hillary because she has acknowledged the importance of compromise and Bernie simply has not. He's the kid in a school group project that you would hate to work with.
 
Maybe because they control Congress. You know, the part of our government that passes laws and legislation?    
			
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 He's suing them because they deserve it.
 
Republicans didn't hate Hillary like they do now in the 90s. She will gets less done than Obama did. Trying to pretend like Republicans will be eager to help her create a legacy for herself is comical.
 
Obama tried to compromise and look how that worked out    Compromise only works when you have people that  want to compromise. Bernie knows this, and he'd had no problem with it if the Republicans weren't being so stubborn. They can't even let Obama choose the SC Justice without crying about it. It's pointless.
 
But hopefully things change in Congress in November so we don't have to worry about them.  
 
  
 
 
  
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				With superdelegates included, she has a very high chance of passing the 2,383 threshold before then. Without it, it's about 50-50. Depends on how she does in the upcoming huge contests of Maryland, Washington State, New York, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey mostly 
			
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 Thank you.   
I want this mess to be over right now, can't believe it might go on until June.  
 
  
 
 
  
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				He's suing them because they deserve it. 
			
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 How did they deserve it when his campaign did something illegal?
 
Secondly, how can you say he wants to work with Democrats when he's suing them and constantly calls them corrupt? He's clearly shown to not like the party and be a strong advocator against it. Try working with someone that insults you and sues you and see how likely you are willing to work with them. People like you have this irrational idea that American politics is this evil overgrown thing that is calculated to be corrupt. No, it's corrupt because people are designed to be corrupt by nature (so is Bernie). But, the people in politics work no differently from us and it's all about compromise and working in a team. Bernie has never shown the ability to work with other people. That's why he has the ranked as being the worst in bipartisan appeal and ability to work in a bipartisan fashion. That is not an attractive quality in a president.
 
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				Republicans didn't hate Hillary like they do now in the 90s. She will gets less done than Obama did. Trying to pretend like Republicans will be eager to help her create a legacy for herself is comical.
			
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 YES THEY DID! They spent MILLIONS of dollars against her to make sure that all of her ideas got gridlocked and destroyed. She fought for single-payer in the 90s and the Republicans went after her and attacked her with Whitewater and so many other scam scandals. However, when she isn't running for a position, Republicans say nothing but positive things about her. Jeb Bush presented her with an award and praised her right before this election season. Republicans get along with her fine when she's already in a public position. But they would rather have someone of their own get the position instead and they fear her capability of getting elected, so they go after her. That's just how politics work.
 
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				Obama tried to compromise and look how that worked out   Compromise only works when you have people that want to compromise. Bernie knows this, and he'd had no problem with it if the Republicans weren't being so stubborn. They can't even let Obama choose the SC Justice without crying about it. It's pointless.
			
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 No he didn't... Obama was actually not that great at compromise. The most recent president who did a good job of compromise was Bill Clinton. It's why very left progressives don't like him. But, he ended his presidency with a surplus in the national budget.
 
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				But hopefully things change in Congress in November so we don't have to worry about them.
			
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 Gerrymandering is a thing, so that's not going to happen.  
 
  
 
 
  
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 I'm so frustrated with all this race-baiting fear mongering Islamaphobia being spread not just by social media and Trump/Cruz but  by journalists too.  An article loses credibility anytime it is says "Islam" is the problem.    
 
  
 
 
  
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 Been following this election for some time now and it's so much more entertaining than British politics   
Anyway I really hope Hillary wins. YouGov did a poll here a few weeks ago and exactly half of people said they want her to win. Bernie got 17% which was still twice as much as any Republican. We're so sensible    
 
  
 
 
  
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				Been following this election for some time now and it's so much more entertaining than British politics   
Anyway I really hope Hillary wins. YouGov did a poll here a few weeks ago and exactly half of people said they want her to win. Bernie got 17% which was still twice as much as any Republican. We're so sensible    
			
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				No he didn't... Obama was actually not that great at compromise. The most recent president who did a good job of compromise was Bill Clinton. It's why very left progressives don't like him. But, he ended his presidency with a surplus in the national budget.
			
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BS! Literally Obamas whole 1st term was him TRYING to reach across aisle and work with Republicans but they kept slapping his hand down which is why liberals were furious with him...when he got reelected, THAT's when he said **** the republicans 
 
That being said, it does take compromise and but Obama got plenty done during his presidency so I don't know where this idea that he didn't is coming from granted he could've gotten a lot more done it the GOP didn't make it their sole responsibility to oppose any and everything he wanted to do  
 
  
 
 
  
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 The most Obama compromised was keeping the Bush tax cuts in exchange of allowing for extending unemployment benefits. Obama didn't compromise must else, mostly because the Republicans did not want to. The Tea Party really screwed us all over. 
Compromise should not be seen as a dirty word. Sometimes it is the only way to make progress. Teddy Roosevelt, FDR and LBJ wanted much bigger reforms, but they had to compromise. The way the constitution is set up favors the status and inherently makes progress hard. Generally, only incremental progress has worked in this country.    
 
  
 
 
  
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 Bernie wants a "political revolution," which is fine, but my issue is that he's going to war with the very "establishment" that he needs for the revolution to happen. Hillary is party-building and helping Democratic candidates get elected. She's raised tens of millions of dollars ($26.9 million, last I saw) for the Democratic Party. Donations to the Hillary Victory Fund go to the DNC and state Democratic Parties, too. 
Bernie has raised precisely  $1,000 for the Democrats.    He's suing the DNC over a punishment that resulted from the actions of his campaign staffers. He's demonizing the Democratic establishment at every rally when he'll need them to make his agenda happen. He's asking his supporters to start a political revolution, but hasn't done much himself to get Democrats elected.  
 
  
 
 
  
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 This election cycle has been so abnormal. If Trump and Clinton are the nominees,  we will  see the rise  of Clinton Republicans and  Trump Democrats.The Bernie Bros who hate Hillary will vote Trump, and the RINOs who are horrified by Trump will vote Hillary. 
 
  
 
 
  
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				Been following this election for some time now and it's so much more entertaining than British politics   
Anyway I really hope Hillary wins. YouGov did a poll here a few weeks ago and exactly half of people said they want her to win. Bernie got 17% which was still twice as much as any Republican. We're so sensible    
			
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 Is that why Bernie when the Democrats Abroad vote in the UK? Interesting?    
 
  
 
 
  
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				Is that why Bernie when the Democrats Abroad vote in the UK? Interesting?    
			
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 General UK public =/= Democrats in the UK    
 
  
 
 
  
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