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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Trump closing the gap in Ohio  Romney effect 
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Originally posted by HeyMr.DJ
Sis, if Hillary loses Ohio, Illinois and MO, do you think the super delegates will switch even if Hillary still leads in overall delegates and the popular vote?
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Nope. Unless she starts to lose states by big margins (will not happen tomorrow) then they may switch
Tomorrow is the beginning of the end even if she wins only 2/5 states (I still think she wins all 5)
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Member Since: 6/28/2008
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Originally posted by HeyMr.DJ
Sis, if Hillary loses Ohio, Illinois and MO, do you think the super delegates will switch even if Hillary still leads in overall delegates and the popular vote?
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Superdelegates can switch but they usually don't. In 2008, around 50 of them switched, and that was only after Obama got enough delegates to secure the nomination.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Nope. Unless she starts to lose states by big margins (will not happen tomorrow) then they may switch
Tomorrow is the beginning of the end even if she wins only 2/5 states (I still think she wins all 5)
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Yeah, that makes sense. I just feel like she would lose a TON of momentum if she can't at lease get Ohio... My biggest fear is that all of the attention will be shifted to Bernie being able to beat her 
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Member Since: 11/4/2010
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Think Bernie will win Illinois. The Rahm Emanuel endorsement is going to hurt her.
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Originally posted by Marvin
Every state really should be an open primary with same day registration. I find it weird that there are different laws by state when voting for a national election 
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I disagree. All states should be closed primaries or caucuses. It should be the Republicans and Democrats who choose their nominee for the President, not outsiders looking in. If undeclared or independents want a say in who's the nominee of those parties, they normally have 30 days before their primary/caucus to switch. Heck, some even allow same day switches.
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Okay so when Hillary wins IL tomorrow comfortably I'll be quoting everyone disagreeing 
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I'd rather have lying Hilary be president than Trump or any other republican 
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Do we have any reason to believe that what happened in Michigan won't happen again? What makes us believe that these polls are anywhere near accurate?
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Okay so when Hillary wins IL tomorrow comfortably I'll be quoting everyone disagreeing 
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I really, really hope so <3
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Originally posted by foxaylove
I disagree. All states should be closed primaries or caucuses. It should be the Republicans and Democrats who choose their nominee for the President, not outsiders looking in. If undeclared or independents want a say in who's the nominee of those parties, they normally have 30 days before their primary/caucus to switch. Heck, some even allow same day switches.
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Maybe not completely open but Independents should still get a chance to vote, at least with same day switching. I almost missed my chance to vote because I forgot to switch to Democrat and had to rush and do it on the last day. I don't really understand the 30-day rule.
Whatever the case, I think it needs to be the same across the country. Closed, semi-open, caucuses, etc.
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Originally posted by Marvin
Maybe not completely open but Independents should still get a chance to vote, at least with same day switching. I almost missed my chance to vote because I forgot to switch to Democrat and had to rush and do it on the last day. I don't really understand the 30-day rule.
Whatever the case, I think it needs to be the same across the country. Closed, semi-open, caucuses, etc.
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You're very lucky many states have it open, because if all of the primaries were closed.. Bernie would have been finished last week. The only reason he is winning is because he has independent support (likely from college students & young voters).
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Originally posted by HeyMr.DJ
You're very lucky many states have it open, because if all of the primaries were closed.. Bernie would have been finished last week. The only reason he is winning is because he has independent support (likely from college students & young voters).
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This isn't about Bernie. I just think everyone should have the same opportunity and chance to vote.
I don't see any problem with him having huge Independent support... it only shows that people are tired of the two-party system.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by HeyMr.DJ
Sis, if Hillary loses Ohio, Illinois and MO, do you think the super delegates will switch even if Hillary still leads in overall delegates and the popular vote?
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Super delegates at this point won't switch till Bernie takes the lead in either popular vote or pledged delegates. At the moment, Hillary has more wins, the popular vote, pledged delegates, and super delegates. Luckily for Bernie, some favorable states are coming up to help him narrow the lead in state wins(Idaho, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin, Alaska, etc). Thing is though, he needs to win a state like Washington by a large margin with 101 delegates up for grabs and I actually think he has a shot at making a statement there. But that won't be enough, he'll need more large margin victories in states with 100+ delegates. Winning by large margins in 20 - 45 delegate count states are no big deal unless it's like a Vermont, where Hillary didn't get 15% to be viable.
Bernie has to hope that she doesn't take 3 of the 5 big states tomorrow by 15%+ because at that point, she's putting the win out of his reach. He would have to completely destroy her in NY and CA for that lead to be caught and that simply won't happen. If he can take Ohio, Illinois, and Missouri tomorrow by 10%+, he'll have momentum and opportunity moving forward.
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Hmm. If turnout is high, this could be good for Bernie.
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Member Since: 11/4/2010
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Okay so when Hillary wins IL tomorrow comfortably I'll be quoting everyone disagreeing 
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I pray I'm wrong. Hopefully you get to drag me!
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Okay so when Hillary wins IL tomorrow comfortably I'll be quoting everyone disagreeing 
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Bookmarked.
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I feel like she'll win all except Missouri
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Pull through, Hillz 
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by Marvin
Maybe not completely open but Independents should still get a chance to vote, at least with same day switching. I almost missed my chance to vote because I forgot to switch to Democrat and had to rush and do it on the last day. I don't really understand the 30-day rule.
Whatever the case, I think it needs to be the same across the country. Closed, semi-open, caucuses, etc.
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The 30-day rule gives them time for those that mail the ballots in that don't have the convenience of a computer to do online. Plus, depending on the volume of changes, the state has to process all of the requests in their systems and then distribute the updated rosters to all of the precincts in the designated state. I'm sure there is more that goes into it that we're not privy to though.
I tend to don't mind same-day changes, but mostly for "undeclared" registrants, though it wouldn't bother me if "independents" do. The goal is to get them to finally declare a side. For Independents, they're minds are made up. They're solidly in the middle, swinging whichever way they feel compelled to go in that particular election, not pledging allegiance to neither party. As long as it's a primary, I don't mind same day changes. For caucuses, same day changes have been a nightmare. Registration paper shortages and system glitches when registering folks, it has led to outrageous long lines, delayed start times, and chaos in general. Make them register 30 days prior to nip that in the butt.
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