Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season - Page 1470

Benzene

I've only watched a bit, I'll be watching Walking Dead at 9.

Bey Admired

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Originally posted by MAKSIM

Many public colleges already field students that are not college ready. I am a high school teacher and I see it every year. I see students go to these public colleges, that frankly, should NOT be in college. It is no fault of their own, but throwing money at public colleges so these students can graduate without tuition debt is a mistake (btw not counting living, eating, and book charges). This solution is simply reinforcing a system that is already broken. I think Sanders is well-intentioned and I wish a free tuition public college system would work, but I have too many experiences within the education system that bias my opinion to think it would be worth the costs.

This is from a very privileged perspective. It's also very ignorant - It wasn't even my point.

What the hell is wrong with those students with the same grades, getting a free degree? I think those from poverty who made it to University, have had to work 10x harder than everyone else to get to that position. They at least deserve to be given a free education.

TheLastChord

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Originally posted by nnnnnn

Bernie is creating a paradox with this situation though. The fundamental basis of outsourcing is to cut down on costs. Bernie's idea is a double shot on these corporations by (1) Increasing corporate taxes and (2) mandate outsourcing provisions to bring jobs back in the country. However, with the whole premise that outsourcing is for the reason that they are cutting back the costs, they are at a disadvantage further because Bernie wants them to pay a whole lot more taxes. Having two conditions happen at the same time WILL just not work.

People say it may still be sustainable that corporations bring jobs back to the country and pay more taxes, but at the end of the day, corporations just want to make profits, and it's up to them how to increase productivity and profits while cutting down costs. Simple economics.

Exactly, the whole concept of outsourcing exists only due to the fact that through it companies can pay less for the same work. Bringing back jobs is only feasible through incentives, that obviously does not include freaking taxes everywhere they look. At the end of the day people just wanna make money, the easier, the better.

Javan

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Originally posted by RatedG²

But without the stats he had no argument on why he would be more electable

. His only answer probably could've been "I'm a male" or "I'm not under FBI investigation" because otherwise he has no argument.

I don't get the point of town halls generally. Do they even affect anything?

Without stats, nobody has an objective argument really. So why are you complaining. Hillary wouldn't be able to give an objective answer either.

rivers

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Originally posted by Reza

if bernie got the nomination (which he wont) Trump would beat him so easily

No way

BlueTimberwolf

We need to stop throwing public funds at these colleges until they reduce their tuition costs. That would save everyone money.

ABEL-o-matic

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Originally posted by TurntUp

Omg y'all Bill Clinton...soon to be First Gentleman is in my city at the HS speaking

I wish I knew!

Literally the sexiest silver daddy in office.

vamp

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Originally posted by nnnnnn

Bernie is creating a paradox with this situation though. The fundamental basis of outsourcing is to cut down on costs. Bernie's idea is a double shot on these corporations by (1) Increasing corporate taxes and (2) mandate outsourcing provisions to bring jobs back in the country. However, with the whole premise that outsourcing is for the reason that they are cutting back the costs, they are at a disadvantage further because Bernie wants them to pay a whole lot more taxes. Having two conditions happen at the same time WILL just not work.

People say it may still be sustainable that corporations bring jobs back to the country and pay more taxes, but at the end of the day, corporations just want to make profits, and it's up to them how to increase productivity and profits while cutting down costs. Simple economics.

So by your logic corporations should pay for cheap labor and use cheap products while we pay top dollar for it so that the rich could stay richer and the poor could stay poor. Right.

RatedG²

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Originally posted by Javan

Without stats, nobody has an really argument.

You can provide some.

For example for Hillary she could use the fact that most Americans aren't comfortable with electing a socialist as president and provide some sources to back that.

Using hypothetical GE polls however just doesn't work

MAKSIM

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Originally posted by Bey Admired

This is from a very privileged perspective. It's also very ignorant. It wasn't even my point.

You @ed me on why my position is wrong, and I stated why I believed in it whether it is relevant to your point or not. Your point on simply giving those who are low income a chance can be provided by debt-free college, not tuition-free.

I am talking about funding this "college is the pathway to the middle class" scheme which is absolutely not true.

TurntUp

Welp time for Walking Dead

Bey Admired

This is so disengenuous from Bernie.

HeyMr.DJ

Bernie is REACHING for those minority votes.

BlueTimberwolf

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Originally posted by nnnnnn

Literally the sexiest silver daddy in office.

The Dr. Luke of politicians.

Bey Admired

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Originally posted by MAKSIM

You @ed me on why my position is wrong, and I stated why I believed in it whether it is relevant to your point or not. Your point on simply giving those who are low income a chance can be provided by debt-free college, not tuition-free.

I believe they should be given tuition-free college. It's the least they deserve.

Orpheus

Hillary and these jackets

Javan

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Originally posted by TheLastChord

Exactly, the whole concept of outsourcing exists only due to the fact that through it companies can pay less for the same work. Bringing back jobs is only feasible through incentives, that obviously does not include freaking taxes everywhere they look. At the end of the day people just wanna make money, the easier, the better.

Or maybe by subsidising local businesses so they can compete?

ABEL-o-matic

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Originally posted by vamp

So by your logic corporations should pay for cheap labor and use cheap products while we pay top dollar for it so that the rich could stay richer and the poor could stay poor. Right.

It's called dividends. Look it up. Invest on dividends, the corporations get rich, you get rich, everyone becomes happy together.

But that's the whole premise of business. I'm sure you'd run your business to higher profits in spite of doing everything to lower costs and increase margins. Simple.

MAKSIM

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Originally posted by Bey Admired

I believe they should be given tuition-free college. It's the least they deserve.

This was not my point though. yes I agree low income students should go to school for free if their grades warrant it. Not all students should be provided tuition free college irregardless of merit, public or private.

Ramcoro

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Originally posted by Marvin

The Democrats should just give up and let Trump/Cruz win then