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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Obama and Hillary for the most part agreed on health care. They both opposed single payer. She's opposing Bernie now. But y'all claim she's stealing his ideas/plans? Hillary can't ever have a mind for herself, I see.
The lady has been doing this for decades. She knows what works and what doesn't.
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She mostly knows what doesn't work based on her failed healthcare attempt during Bill's presidency, her vote for the Iraq war, her lies and failure to follow SoS rules.
Fortunaley for her, the Democratic Party feels she's "entitled" to a run at the presidency and only had a Socialist and a Plant run against her.
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Y'all make the Democratic party sound like a cult in here. We are supposed to do this and that for the party. This person is/isn't a true member of the party. Y'all gotta chill. 
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
She mostly knows what doesn't work based on her failed healthcare attempt during Bill's presidency, her vote for the Iraq war, her lies and failure to follow SoS rules.
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This. Not to mention her failed 2008 run.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by @michael
She's not alienating anyone. The BernieBros (Marvin, etc) are not Democrats or members of the Democratic base. They are simply Bernie Sanders bandwagoners who had no interest in ever voting for Hillary Clinton in the first place. It is no loss. The base is with Hillary. Their votes have shown it.
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So now Bernie voters aren't even democrats. Jesus Christ.

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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by King Maxx
In here, I see the Bernie stans saying "I'll never vote for her" Yet I know people in real life who support him and don't trust Hillary, but have said they would pick whoever is the Democrat over Trump and the Republicans any day. That's a REAL democrat. If you really cared about the policies and the country, you wouldn't let likability stop the progress we've made.
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Yes so people shouldn't need to trust the people theyve supported for the most powerful political office in the world. I'm sorry but I just have a problem with this line of logic.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by @michael
She's not alienating anyone. The BernieBros (Marvin, etc) are not Democrats or members of the Democratic base. They are simply Bernie Sanders bandwagoners who had no interest in ever voting for Hillary Clinton in the first place. It is no loss. The base is with Hillary. Their votes have shown it.
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Yet she lost Michigan and is seeing her support amongst minorities shrink. She's not dominating the DEM race even though this is her second try at this, she's more familiar than BS, has more money and endorsement and one of the best politicians in her bed every night: the votes have shown that.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by MrHiphy
Y'all make the Democratic party sound like a cult in here. We are supposed to do this and that for the party. This person is/isn't a true member of the party. Y'all gotta chill. 
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I'll never understand why people are so loyal to a party  Just vote for who you think is the best candidate. The two-party system really needs to go.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Javan
So now Bernie voters aren't even democrats. Jesus Christ.

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Not Bernie Voters, the BernieBros. They are the ones making the "controversy" of transcripts. I'm sure there are many, many, many lovely Bernie voters who love the Democratic party and will vote for our nominee (most likely Hillary Clinton) in November. They don't care about pointless transcripts. The BernieBros are not Democrats and were never voting for Hillary. Marvin has proven this. She doesn't have to prove anything to them. She is a strong woman who will not be forced into anything.
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I Voted for Sanders Despite the ‘Bernie Bros’
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With all of my trepidations, I voted for Bernie because I feel, of all the candidates, he is the one who legitimately has my back. He has been consistent in his beliefs and opinions, and he is the only candidate to embrace Black Lives Matters ideas and leaders.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by MrHiphy
Y'all make the Democratic party sound like a cult in here. We are supposed to do this and that for the party. This person is/isn't a true member of the party. Y'all gotta chill. 
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That's the reality tho. Bernie and Ted Cruz won't be able to get **** done because they are so unpopular with members of their own parties. You can't govern or pass any laws without support.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Marvin is the perfect example of these Bernie supporters who want this political revolution. Not just in the economy, but in all aspects. It's like the 2010s version of hippies. They hate super delegates, super pacs, two party systems, moderate views/compromise, etc.
Stuff that has in fact made America great, and has been around for decades and decades. No real Dem would vote for a Republican. And no Republican would vote Democrat. It works for the most part because the voters in each party share similar views. You can't be for gay rights and then be a Republican. I mean you can, but you aren't really a smart person. That's just my opinion tho. 
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Originally posted by Marvin
I'll never understand why people are so loyal to a party  Just vote for who you think is the best candidate. The two-party system really needs to go.
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Because the Senate and House consists of two parties.  Have you not seen the obstruction Obama has faced? You really think Bernie will be able to get anything done with only Elizabeth Warren and a few others in his corner??
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
Yet she lost Michigan and is seeing her support amongst minorities shrink. She's not dominating the DEM race even though this is her second try at this
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Mississippi would say otherwise.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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As split as things are in here, I really hope the rest of the Dems aren't this way. I'm all for Hillary but if Bernie gets the Nom, I WILL be voting for him because if we really want to stop the Republicans, we have to Unite. We can't have a Republican in office. There's nothing wrong with not wanting Hillary/Bernie to be President but to jump ship from the Democrats just because Bernie/Hillary doesn't get the nom is damaging. Hillary and Bernie aren't so fundamentally different that it requires supporters of either to jump ship from the party so deciding to not support the party. But hey, we are entitled to vote our own way so 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Marvin is the perfect example of these Bernie supporters who want this political revolution. Not just in the economy, but in all aspects. It's like the 2010s version of hippies. They hate super delegates, super pacs, two party systems, moderate views/compromise, etc.
Stuff that has in fact made America great, and has been around for decades and decades. No real Dem would vote for a Republican. And no Republican would vote Democrat. It works for the most part because the voters in each party share similar views. You can't be for gay rights and then be a Republican. I mean you can, but you aren't really a smart person. That's just my opinion tho. 
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Why not? If you care about gay rights but have about 6 or 7 issues that you feel the Republicans would do a better job on, you would label yourself a Republican even if you don't agree with their stand on GM. You'd have less in common with Dems.
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Originally posted by MrLovett
Mississippi would say otherwise.
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Eh. A red state. It doesn't matter in the GE.
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Member Since: 9/20/2009
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Marvin is the perfect example of these Bernie supporters who want this political revolution. Not just in the economy, but in all aspects. It's like the 2010s version of hippies. They hate super delegates, super pacs, two party systems, moderate views/compromise, etc.
Stuff that has in fact made America great, and has been around for decades and decades. No real Dem would vote for a Republican. And no Republican would vote Democrat. It works for the most part because the voters in each party share similar views. You can't be for gay rights and then be a Republican. I mean you can, but you aren't really a smart person. That's just my opinion tho. 
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How specifically has the two-party system made America great?
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Hillary lost support with African-Americans? The other states says otherwise.
People must've let that 1.5% difference yesterday give them memory loss. We have 50 states. 1 state won't change that. She could've gotten 1 black vote, and still would have that firewall. Michigan ain't the whole world. But this is trivial since she still doubled him in AA votes.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Marvin is the perfect example of these Bernie supporters who want this political revolution. They hate super delegates, super pacs, two party systems, moderate views/compromise, etc.
Stuff that has in fact made America great, and has been around for decades and decades. No real Dem would vote for a Republican. And no Republican would vote Democrat. It works for the most part because the voters in each party share similar views. You can't be for gay rights and then be a Republican. I mean you can, but you aren't really a smart person. That's just my opinion tho. 
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Not true! Compromise is necessary, but some people just compromise too much. Super PACs are extremely corrupt and super delegates are non-democratic.
And there are some Republicans that support gay rights, just like there are some Democrats that don't. It's not that black and white. Exactly why the two-party system needs to go.
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I can only laugh when the Hilary lies argument gets brought up when Sanders platform is one big false promise. He said in his fox town hall the way his agenda gets accomplished is a down ticket revolution where the house and senate are replaced with a majority that his ideology in sync with him. Hillary gives realistic, but not as sexy answers. For example, in the last debate, she said she was against fracking, but will put certain limitations that must be obliged in order to carry it out. While Bernie was able to just get away with a flat out "no to fracking under all conditions." Of course Hilary seems less appealing to young people. They don't want to hear that we will not have free college, that we will not be able to ban fracking, etc.
I also don't agree with voting along party lines. Sometimes the more qualified person is on the other side of the aisle. I would vote Kasich over Sanders. Doesn't make me any less of a declared democrat.
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