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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Benzene
Clinton +25 or more in Florida is a lock tbh.
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Florida seems more reliable thankfully but I'm not gonna expect that tbh.
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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On March 15th there are 691 delegates available. Between March 16th and April 18th there are around 280 available. Of those, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Washington will be the states Bernie needs to post very large margins.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Espresso
Arizona, Idaho, Utah, Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming.
In that order.
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Luckily none of them will have nearly as many delegates as Fl, NY and CA
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Member Since: 10/2/2011
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I give a solid Hillary win to NC, FL, AZ, and WA. That's it.
It'll be close, but I just still don't see it happening for Bernie even though his campaign promises to last until summer .
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
Posts: 71,871
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Originally posted by Javan
I was just watching a young Turk video and Cenk is being so messy. He stans Bernie so hard it's kinda cute. And then there is another guy called Ben who is either playing devils advocate or a Hillary supporter and Cenk is getting shady about it 
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Ben seems to be the most levelheaded but even then he's not all that supportive of Clinton, just more of not agreeing just to seem more impartial than they actually are.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
Posts: 15,137
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Too many negatives for Bernie in FL.
-Huge minority population
-Older population
-Closed primary
-Significant early voting
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Espresso
I give a solid Hillary win to NC, FL, AZ, and WA. That's it.
It'll be close, but I just still don't see it happening for Bernie even though his campaign promises to last until summer .
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WA? Not IL? Not PA? Not NY?
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
Posts: 15,137
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Quote:
Originally posted by Espresso
I give a solid Hillary win to NC, FL, AZ, and WA. That's it.
It'll be close, but I just still don't see it happening for Bernie even though his campaign promises to last until summer .
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WA is the quintessential white liberal Bernie state. No way he loses it.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
Posts: 16,903
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Quote:
Originally posted by Espresso
I give a solid Hillary win to NC, FL, AZ, and WA. That's it.
It'll be close, but I just still don't see it happening for Bernie even though his campaign promises to last until summer .
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Considering Seattle voted for an actual capital-s Socialist on the city council, I see no reason that Bernie would lose Washington.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Really nervous about this debate tonight. The last one was really contentious, but this could really take it to the next level.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Orpheus
Really nervous about this debate tonight. The last one was really contentious, but this could really take it to the next level.
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Hillary is known for bringing her best when she's on the defensive, which she will be tonight after the virtual tie in Michigan. I'm confident she'll perform well.
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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Bernie is winning Washington. Hillary needs to make sure she doesn't get walloped by investing in some media there though.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Ben seems to be the most levelheaded but even then he's not all that supportive of Clinton, just more of not agreeing just to seem more impartial than they actually are.
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Yeh sure. But a lot of his "level headed" input, from what I have seen, is more on the lines pedantry than anything else. But with him in the panel you can't really cry about biased reporting. They can be very nuanced.
Well all media organisations have bias tbh. Including TYT. But there is something to be appreciated in an outlet that doesn't always coordinate with the mainstream narrative (as long as they are not lying ofc). That's why you should read and watch from multiple sources.
yall shouldn't be so dismissive of media that doesn't tell you what you want to hear.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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I think Hillary has North Carolina, Illinois, Florida, Arizona and Kentucky on lock. I think he can compete in the rest.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Bernie outspent Hillary significantly in MI and won by 2%. That's not sustainable, even with his cash flow. Might be enough to run even in OH/MO but it won't be enough for NC/IL.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Benzene
Bernie outspent Hillary significantly in MI and won by 2%. That's not sustainable, even with his cash flow. Might be enough to run even in OH/MO but it won't be enough for NC/IL.
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I think he needs to focus his spending on states that he can actually win, not NC & IL for that matter.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Javan
Yeh sure. But a lot of his "level headed" input, from what I have seen, is more on the lines pedantry than anything else. But with him in the panel you can't really cry about biased reporting. They can be very nuanced.
Well all media organisations have bias tbh. Including TYT. But there is something to be appreciated in an outlet that doesn't always coordinate with the mainstream narrative (as long as they are not lying ofc). That's why you should read and watch from multiple sources.
yall shouldn't be so dismissive or media that doesn't tell you what you want to hear.
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No you're right I'm not being dismissive of TYT for their program, it's just they do have a clear bias towards one particular candidate compared to more neutral sources like CNN, AP, etc. They definitely give a different outlook on the same race though and it's interesting to see. It's why I don't just take my news from CNN. I go to Breitbart (lol), Fox, MSNBC, and Politico
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I think he needs to focus his spending on states that he can actually win, not NC & IL for that matter.
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Well all polls showed him significantly down in MI that I dismissed him and he won. IL isn't too far away demographically and he's still down by a lot so he could win this 
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I think he needs to focus his spending on states that he can actually win, not NC & IL for that matter.
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From a purely political standpoint, you're right. He should spend tons of money in the white states after March 15, in the hopes that he could rack up some huge 40+ point wins there. Those states don't have as many delegates, but the good press and momentum could lead him to wins in the later states. Let's see what he does though 
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I think he needs to focus his spending on states that he can actually win, not NC & IL for that matter.
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But that strategy is why he can't win. You can't win while ceding entire regions. Florida has the most delegates on 3/15 and it will be his biggest loss.
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