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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by MAKSIM
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Great material how? They tweeted at him. That doesn't mean he supports their organization or that they are endorsing him. He just happens to hold an opinion that they agree with and an opinion that makes sense.
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The word "ghetto" is as synonymous with poor black as "trailer park" is with poor white. It's hilarious to see a certain ilk of people get up in arms and suddenly caring about being racially PC when on any other occasion, they're somewhere huffing and puffing with disgust at with ~SJWs for promoting a PC climate. So opportunistic.
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Stay mad HillaryBots 
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Originally posted by MrHiphy
Great material how? They tweeted at him. That doesn't mean he supports their organization or that they are endorsing him. He just happens to hold an opinion that they agree with and an opinion that makes sense.
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A lot of democrats do want to get rid of gun ownership entirely. The optics of having the NRA sending a tweet in solidarity with a candidate on the democratic side is not good, especially with many African-Anerican voters.
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I love when republicans use the "democrats supported slavery!!" argument like it's an unknown fact and like political parties can't change in 150 years  |
What's disgusting about it is that the descendants of those pro-slavery Democrats are current-day Republicans. They all became Republicans after the civil rights progress in the 1960s and the national (modern) Democratic Party's support for civil rights .
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Originally posted by MAKSIM
A lot of democrats do want to get rid of gun ownership entirely. The optics of having the NRA sending a tweet in solidarity with a candidate on the democratic side is not good, especially with many African-Anerican voters.
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First, getting rid of gun ownership entirely would be just as successful as prohibition. Second, optics shouldn't be a factor if we're discussing Hillary attacking him on it. At the end of the day, the NRA is free to post whatever they please on social media and Bernie can't suggest they don't mention his name unless they're being slanderous. In terms of bringing this up in a debate, it would fall flat. Because the exchange between the NRA and Bernie is one-sided.
But on a side-note, it's a shame that people will only look at the fact that the NRA tweeted about him and not at the content of the tweets.
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POTUS: Bernie Sanders
VP: Kirsten Gillibrand
State: Yvette Clarke
Treasury: Nancy Folbre
Defense: Tulsi Gabbard
Attorney General: Maura Healey
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Originally posted by MrHiphy
First, getting rid of gun ownership entirely would be just as successful as prohibition. Second, optics shouldn't be a factor if we're discussing Hillary attacking him on it. At the end of the day, the NRA is free to post whatever they please on social media and Bernie can't suggest they don't mention his name unless they're being slanderous. In terms of bringing this up in a debate, it would fall flat. Because the exchange between the NRA and Bernie is one-sided.
But on a side-note, it's a shame that people will only look at the fact that the NRA tweeted about him and not at the content of the tweets.
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Bernie got a C from the NRA as recently as 2006. Hillary has more then enough material to drag him with based on his record in the 2000s and rightfully should if he is going to drag her for NAFTA
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...s-most-recent/
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Michigan
MONMOUTH
Hillary - 55%
Bernie - 42%
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Hillary Clinton currently holds a 55% to 42% lead over Bernie Sanders in the Michigan Democratic primary. Clinton enjoys a solid edge among non-white voters (68% to 27%), who make up more than one-fourth of the likely electorate. Clinton (49%) and Sanders (48%) are virtually tied among white voters.
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FOX 2 DETROIT
Hillary - 66%
Bernie - 29%
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Hillary Clinton (66%), fueled by strong support from women and African-Americans, has a tremendous lead over Bernie Sanders (29%), Clinton is seems poised to win convincingly in Michigan on Tuesday. She came into the state earlier than Sanders and she really made the Flint water crisis her issue, adding to her already strong support among African-Americans, who could make up a quarter of all voters.
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OHIO
PPP
Hillary - 56%
Bernie - 35%
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On the Democratic side Hillary Clinton has a pretty solid lead with 56% to 35% for Bernie Sanders. Clinton's up 52/41 with white voters but as has been happening elsewhere what really fuels her lead is a 74/14 advantage with African Americans. 81% of Clinton's voters are firmly committed to voting for her, compared to 67% of Sanders'. Among just voters whose minds are totally made up, Clinton's leads expands to 66/34. Sanders leads with 'very liberal' voters 48/39 and younger voters 50/41, but Clinton more than makes up for it with leads of 62/33 among 'somewhat liberal' voters, 61/30 among moderates, and 70/22 with seniors.
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NEW YORK
Siena
Hillary - 55%
Bernie - 34%
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On the Democratic side, Hillary Clinton maintains her 21-point lead over Bernie Sanders, 55-34 percent, exactly the same as it was last month, according to a new Siena College poll of New York State registered voters released today.
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IDAHO
Idaho Politics/Dan Jones
Bernie - 47%
Hillary - 45%
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A month ago Clinton held a 12-percentage point lead among Democrats. But that has disappeared, found Jones. Now, Sanders leads Clinton among Democrats, 47-45 percent. Political independents, who can vote March 22, really favor Sanders, 42-19 percent, over Clinton – who despite her Idaho showing appears well on her way to winning the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination.
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i'm getting more and more sick of the way my friends talk about bernie every day >_> today i saw something saying he was katniss and hillary clinton was president coin. yes clearly bernie is a revolutionary hero that will change everything and...kill hillary??? honestly so many people are so delusional about bernie and it's annoying
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Originally posted by MAKSIM
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You have drifted from your original premise, but I will address this anyway. The reason she can't drag him based on this material is because he owns up to everything listed here. Furthermore, his grade of a C in 2006 came because of his vote in favor of the gun liability bill, not because of consistent support for the NRA or support against gun regulation laws. If Hillary was to bring up this information, she would look desperate and be reaching for a drag that Bernie will instead deliver to her for her desperation. Attacking him on this point would be irrelevant, and they already addressed his position on Sunday, so it would be tired as well.
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Originally posted by foxaylove
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If there is one state Hillary can afford to concede, it is the 23 delegate state of Idaho.
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He clarified his ghetto comment...and made it worse
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He's a snake.
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I think she will take Michigan with a 10-15 gap.
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Originally posted by MrHiphy
You have drifted from your original premise, but I will address this anyway. The reason she can't drag him based on this material is because he owns up to everything listed here. Furthermore, his grade of a C in 2006 came because of his vote in favor of the gun liability bill, not because of consistent support for the NRA or support against gun regulation laws. If Hillary was to bring up this information, she would look desperate and be reaching for a drag that Bernie will instead deliver to her for her desperation. Attacking him on this point would be irrelevant, and they already addressed his position on Sunday, so it would be tired as well.
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My original premise is optics. Debates are all about optics. Sanders has made super pacs a problem even though no one had a problem with Obama taking Wall Street or super pac money during his election cycles. Associating and tagging Sanders along with some of the positions of the NRA is fair game and I encourage her for her to be more aggressive about it. There's a reason why he is losing the African American vote terribly, and I don't believe ignorance of candidates is that reason.
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Originally posted by MAKSIM
My original premise is optics. Debates are all about optics. Sanders has made super pacs a problem even though no one had a problem with Obama taking Wall Street or super pac money during his election cycles. Associating and tagging Sanders along with some of the positions of the NRA is fair game and I encourage her for her to be more aggressive about it. There's a reason why he is losing the African American vote terribly, and I don't believe ignorance of candidates is that reason.
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Well as a black voter, and as a well-informed logical person, I can say with 100% certainty that Bernie's stance on gun control is not what's alienating black voters (if this is what you were insinuating).
I also do not believe Hillary attacking him on the NRA situation will bring about any favorable optical changes. The difference between Bernie and Hillary is that Hillary is accepting the super pacs. Bernie is not accepting of the NRA nor has his track record shown so. She would have minimal success attacking him on this and would be smart to focus energy elsewhere.
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Originally posted by MrHiphy
Well as a black voter, and as a well-informed logical person, I can say with 100% certainty that Bernie's stance on gun control is not what's alienating black voters (if this is what you were insinuating).
I also do not believe Hillary attacking him on the NRA situation will bring about any favorable optical changes. The difference between Bernie and Hillary is that Hillary is accepting the super pacs. Bernie is not accepting of the NRA nor has his track record shown so. She would have minimal success attacking him on this and would be smart to focus energy elsewhere.
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Actually, Bernie's record on Gun Control is his weakest point after Foreign Policy of course. He has always said, "I have a D-minus voting record from the NRA" when the Charleston loophole is brought up as a deflection. This NRA support helps her argument with him not being tough enough on guns.
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Actually, Bernie's record on Gun Control is his weakest point after Foreign Policy of course. He has always said, "I have a D-minus voting record from the NRA" when the Charleston loophole is brought up as a deflection. This NRA support helps her argument with him not being tough enough on guns.
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If "not being tough enough on guns" = not thinking manufacturers who legally sell guns should be held responsible for murder then I'm weak on gun policy as well. *kanye shrug*
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Wow they stacked this fox town hall against Hillary 
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If she wins Ohio by 20%
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Originally posted by MAKSIM
Wow they stacked this fox town hall against Hillary |
It will be a great test for the upcoming months. I'm interested to watch this one but I am stuck at work.
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