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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Adonis
Trump is playing the game. It's what Republicans have to say to get noticed. I think Trump still believes what he previously believed before he started running for office. I don't think people change their positions on issues overnight. Every other Republican is saying similar things or believes similar things and will actually do the crazy things. Trump will come back later and say ohhhh well the courts ruled it's out of my hands. Trump seems more comfortable with actual black people than I've seen really any candidate this election cycle.
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So you'd elect a useless demagogue reality TV star who would do nothing? And base part of that support on him "seeming more comfortable with black people?"
I'm sorry, I just don't follow.
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so um like what about that racism and lack of tangible plans and desire to get rid of gay marriage and stuff
still wanna support Trump more bc of the ~~establishment~~
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If you are a poor white male, then Trump might be marginally better for you than Cruz. However, if you are an undocumented immigrant (or have family who are undocumented), a Muslim, black, or another minority (because if he's bashing all of them, then he might turn his direction and rhetoric to the rest of us  ), then Trump is definitely worse.
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Originally posted by Retro
So you'd elect a useless demagogue reality TV star who would do nothing? And base part of that support on him "seeming more comfortable with black people?"
I'm sorry, I just don't follow.
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Donald Trump is a fake demagogue. That's what I am telling you. I am also telling you people revert to their natural inclinations and instincts once tasked with something. Donald Trump's liberal leanings would become more apparent were he to become the POTUS. Donald Trump has proved that most conservatives aren't actually hardliners like the Republican establishment would have us believe.
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I mean, if wanting to build a giant wall, planning to deport millions of people, disagreeing with marriage equality, failing to properly renounce the KKK, calling Megyn Kelly a bimbo, using the word "schlonged" in reference to Hillary, calling Ariana Huffington ugly, alleging that Mexican immigrants are drug dealing rapists, claiming that all women ever on The Apprentice flirted with him subconsciously, and countless other things is the kind of "fake" demagoguery that you want to support for the Presidency, do you...
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
If you are a poor white male, then Trump might be marginally better for you than Cruz. However, if you are an undocumented immigrant (or have family who are undocumented), a Muslim, black, or another minority (because if he's bashing all of them, then he might turn his direction and rhetoric to the rest of us ), then Trump is definitely worse. |
I was mostly talking about the "establishment" line.
I really think the whole fixation on the "establishment" from both Democrats and Republicans this cycle is ridiculous.
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What are the authors' intentions on writing those articles? Are they trying to scare Hillary supporters into backing Bernie by making people think there is a false choice between "Bernie or Trump"? at this point in time? Saying things like that now in the midst of a primary when we don't know for sure who will win is just voting extortion.
Watch in 6 months Huffington Post will write a string of articles stating why we need Hillary to win. A lot of Bernie supporters who are currently "Bernie or Bust" will probably quickly turn to "anything but Trump!".
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Originally posted by Retro
I mean, if wanting to build a giant wall, planning to deport millions of people, disagreeing with marriage equality, failing to properly renounce the KKK, calling Megyn Kelly a bimbo, using the word "schlonged" in reference to Hillary, calling Ariana Huffington ugly, alleging that Mexican immigrants are drug dealing rapists, claiming that all women ever on The Apprentice flirted with him subconsciously, and countless other things is the kind of "fake" demagoguery that you want to support for the Presidency, do you...
I was mostly talking about the "establishment" line.
I really think the whole fixation on the "establishment" from both Democrats and Republicans this cycle is ridiculous.
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Donald Trump renounced the KKK the night before the CNN interview. I know you desperately want him to be racist but Donald is simply not. Donald wants the votes of anyone who will vote for him. That's the bottom line. It's the Republican party's fault they made it mandatory that white supremacy groups must be catered either semi overtly or or behind the scenes in order for someone to get their nomination. Similarly if black people didn't vote in a block Republicans would be forced to cater to issues that concern them. The coin has two sides.
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Originally posted by Retro
I mean, if wanting to build a giant wall, planning to deport millions of people, disagreeing with marriage equality, failing to properly renounce the KKK, calling Megyn Kelly a bimbo, using the word "schlonged" in reference to Hillary, calling Ariana Huffington ugly, alleging that Mexican immigrants are drug dealing rapists, claiming that all women ever on The Apprentice flirted with him subconsciously, and countless other things is the kind of "fake" demagoguery that you want to support for the Presidency, do you...
I was mostly talking about the "establishment" line.
I really think the whole fixation on the "establishment" from both Democrats and Republicans this cycle is ridiculous.
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I agree. The "establishment" line is the most overused word this election cycle. Not just from Bernie, but the right use it way too much. I read an [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2016/02/29/so_much_for_settled_science_377063.html] article the other day[/url[
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The prevailing narrative by members of the climate establishment is the assertion that the science is settled.
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Really?! The "climate establishment". Is this a ****ing a joke?!  The word "establishment" has become such a buzzword this election cycle. 
Bernie supporters that are anti-establishment that would go for Trump because he is anti-establishment, just want change for the sake of change. I don't get it. Do they realize that the change is going in completely different directions? 
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Romney is getting dragged
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If Trump isn't racist, then he is certainly is fanning the flames of racism/bigotry. There comes a point where there isn't a difference between the two.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
I agree. The "establishment" line is the most overused word this election cycle. Not just from Bernie, but the right use it way too much. I read an [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2016/02/29/so_much_for_settled_science_377063.html] article the other day[/url[
Really?! The "climate establishment". Is this a ****ing a joke?! The word "establishment" has become such a buzzword this election cycle.
Bernie supporters that are anti-establishment that would go for Trump because he is anti-establishment, just want change for the sake of change. I don't get it. Do they realize that the change is going in completely different directions? |
"Narrative" too. Damn buzzwords.
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Originally posted by Adonis
Donald Trump renounced the KKK the night before the CNN interview. I know you desperately want him to be racist but Donald is simply not. Donald wants the votes of anyone who will vote for him. That's the bottom line. It's the Republican party's fault they made it mandatory that white supremacy groups must be catered either semi overtly or or behind the scenes in order for someone to get their nomination. Similarly if black people didn't vote in a block Republicans would be forced to cater to issues that concern them. The coin has two sides.
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Black people vote in a block started with Nixon's southern strategy. The Republican Party's catering to white supremacist caused black people to vote for Democrats, not the other way around.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Black people vote in a block started with Nixon's southern strategy. The Republican Party's catering to white supremacist caused black people to vote for Democrats, not the other way around.
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This is very true. Very very true. Nixon messed up. Hilary Clinton reminds me of Richard Nixon. No one really liked him but he got elected because establishment Democrats went against the will of their voters and picked someone else to lead the party and we all paid the price for it.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Black people vote in a block started with Nixon's southern strategy. The Republican Party's catering to white supremacist caused black people to vote for Democrats, not the other way around.
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LIKE!!! It was Lincoln and the Republican party that brought about the abolishment of slavery but THEY'RE the ones that chose to abandon the AA community when Nixon came to power...and since then, they've done NOTHING to reach out to black people. Even now, none of the Republicans are even speaking out against Gov Snyder and the disgusting way that the folks in Flint, Michigan have been exposed to lead poisoned water.
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Originally posted by Adonis
This is very true. Very very true. Nixon messed up. Hilary Clinton reminds me of Richard Nixon. No one really liked him but he got elected because establishment Democrats went against the will of their voters and picked someone else to lead the party and we all paid the price for it.
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Yet, Hillary is the one actively courting black votes. That's basically the opposite of Nixon's plan.
The 1968 elections were a mess.
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Originally posted by Adonis
This is very true. Very very true. Nixon messed up. Hilary Clinton reminds me of Richard Nixon. No one really liked him but he got elected because establishment Democrats went against the will of their voters and picked someone else to lead the party and we all paid the price for it.
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... but the majority of Democratic voters are siding with Hillary. Nixon didn't even get a plurality of the popular vote, he was blocked by Reagan thanks to the California situation.
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Originally posted by Retro
... but the majority of Democratic voters are siding with Hillary. Nixon didn't even get a plurality of the popular vote, he was blocked by Reagan thanks to the California situation.
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I think George Wallace had more to do with it.
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Trump: "He [Romney] was begging for my endorsement. I could have said Mitt 'drop to your knees.' He would have dropped to his knees."
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Romney getting dragged.
The Rep. party is a complete train wreck
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Originally posted by Adonis
Donald Trump renounced the KKK the night before the CNN interview. I know you desperately want him to be racist but Donald is simply not. Donald wants the votes of anyone who will vote for him. That's the bottom line. It's the Republican party's fault they made it mandatory that white supremacy groups must be catered either semi overtly or or behind the scenes in order for someone to get their nomination. Similarly if black people didn't vote in a block Republicans would be forced to cater to issues that concern them. The coin has two sides.
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Don't overlook the fact that Trump was one of the leading public advocates of the whole Birther issue, which was an attempt to smear Obama and imply he was not actually American, and thus was a fraud and an invalid President. A lot of racists used the same 'argument' to justify their hatred of Obama and his Presidency. No white President has ever been accused of such things.
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Any updates on Bloomberg entering the race?
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