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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Auris
Anyone who voted Cruz disgusts me
Anyone who voted Hillary extra disgusts me. She will get destroyed in the debates. Bernie won't.
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When she's destroying Sanders in debates and is set up to go against the biggest sack of hot air in electoral history in the general debates? PLEASE.
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by Eros
Explain to me how changing the way we vote in primaries would eliminate this issue and not actually exacerbate it tho?
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it forces people to cater to a wider array of voters rather than just the fringe elements within their respective primaries. Politicians are forced to craft a message that works for New York and Alabama at the same time. It forces people to cater to minorities who typically dont get much of a say in the first few caucuses Iowa and New Hampshire. Rather than waiting until South Carolina to pretend to care about minority voters and their concerns.
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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I don't think Bernie has a chance in Michigan or at the debate in Michigan, especially because while Bernie was actively campaigning in white states, she was in Flint doing outreach for the water crisis. I think that fact that she was there making and effort will resonate with the voters more.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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So this is cute. Numbers found on CNN. Just shows how many votes each candidate got relative to how much he or she spent on Super Tuesday ads and other ventures. So it'll be how much each vote costed that particular candidate
Ben Carson: $.15/vote
Hillary Clinton: $2.16/vote
Ted Cruz: $3.95/vote
John Kasich: $.59/vote
Marco Rubio: $5.30/vote
Bernie Sanders: $2.69/vote
Donald Trump: $.72/vote

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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by YSL
I don't think Bernie has a chance in Michigan or at the debate in Michigan, especially because while Bernie was actively campaigning in white states, she was in Flint doing outreach for the water crisis. I think that fact that she was there making and effort will resonate with the voters more.
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I agree with you. But Sanders' campaign believes they will snatch it. They need to if they want any realistic chance to win the nomination. The latest polls have him down like 30 though
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Quote:
Originally posted by Auris
Anyone who voted Cruz disgusts me
Anyone who voted Hillary extra disgusts me. She will get destroyed in the debates. Bernie won't.
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That's a little over the top.
Hillary won't do bad, she just isn't a change from the usual politicians.
I mean, Hillary > any Republican candidates.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
So this is cute. Numbers found on CNN. Just shows how many votes each candidate got relative to how much he or she spent on Super Tuesday ads and other ventures. So it'll be how much each vote costed that particular candidate
Ben Carson: $.15/vote
Hillary Clinton: $2.16/vote
Ted Cruz: $3.95/vote
John Kasich: $.59/vote
Marco Rubio: $5.30/vote
Bernie Sanders: $2.69/vote
Donald Trump: $.72/vote

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i can't, at Marco Rubio being the Jeb Bush of this cycle 
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Member Since: 8/20/2011
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Originally posted by Orpheus
Still a lot of action this week for dems:
Saturday, Mar 5 (126)
Kansas caucus (37 delegates)
Louisiana (59 delegates)
Nebraska caucus (30 delegates)
Sunday, Mar 6 (30)
Maine caucus (30 delegates)
Tuesday, Mar 8 (205)
Democrats abroad (17 delegates)
Michigan (147 delegates)
Mississippi (41 delegates)
Saturday, Mar 12 (11)
Northern Mariana Islands (11 delegates)
Tuesday, Mar 15 (793)
Florida (246 delegates)
Illinois (182 delegates)
Missouri (84 delegates)
North Carolina (121 delegates)
Ohio (160 delegates)
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Bernie is done after March 15 unless a miracle happens. He is only projected to win 3 of these states which doesn't hold many delegates (Kansas, Maine, and Nebraska). Once Clinton collects Florida, Michigan, Ohio, and Illinois then her lead is significantly furthered.
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Member Since: 6/28/2008
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Originally posted by RatedG²
So this is cute. Numbers found on CNN. Just shows how many votes each candidate got relative to how much he or she spent on Super Tuesday ads and other ventures. So it'll be how much each vote costed that particular candidate
Ben Carson: $.15/vote
Hillary Clinton: $2.16/vote
Ted Cruz: $3.95/vote
John Kasich: $.59/vote
Marco Rubio: $5.30/vote
Bernie Sanders: $2.69/vote
Donald Trump: $.72/vote

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Does this count PACs?
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 11/14/2008
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Quote:
Originally posted by Auris
Anyone who voted Cruz disgusts me
Anyone who voted Hillary extra disgusts me. She will get destroyed in the debates. Bernie won't.
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What? Hillary is one of the best political debaters of our time. PLEASE. Trump doesn't even know how to debate, he just detracts and changes the topic to personal insult exchanges. Hillary will keep him on topic and answer the detailed questions that are tossed his way. And by no means is Hillary "soft," she'll get Trump or even Cruz for that matter, right together.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
i can't, at Marco Rubio being the Jeb Bush of this cycle 
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 . Blowing money and barely got votes
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Originally posted by Mickey
Does this count PACs?
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It's numbers from the campaign's themselves so unless the PACs are directly funded by them it wouldn't include those PACs
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Isn't Clinton's lead in Michigan like 65-35? Why would Bernie think they can snatch?
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Member Since: 5/11/2011
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Originally posted by Orpheus
Bernie does have the opportunity to change the tide if he does better than expected in debates. There are TWO before March 15th! I can see him coming out swinging.
MARCH 6, 2016
Democratic debate – CNN
Location – Flint, Michigan
Moderators – Anderson Cooper
MARCH 9, 2016
Democratic debate – Univision/The Washington Post
Location – Miami, Florida
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He won't get better because he's weak and he's trying to sell false promises, period!
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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How ANYONE can sit here and say that Bernie has a chance baffles me. He won 4 states last night... 4 states that basically play a tiny role in the grand scheme of things. He REALLY and I mean REALLYYY needed to win Massachusetts and Clinton snatched it from him. She's up by more than half of his amount of delegates and will continue her sweep nationwide. She has the black vote (thanks to the amazing relationship between the black community and her and Bill), she has the Latino vote and every other minority. Bernie's support is the UNEDUCATED and overly left college students whom call themselves "democrats". Bernie is a socialist who will not make it to the white house. Its sad that ALL 65 Million dollars donated to him will go to a COMPLETE waste. He needs to stop asking for donations.
Receipts for those saying Bernie still has a chance: http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/parties/democrat
she is LITERALLY sweeping him in every state that actually MATTERS.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by foxaylove
What? Hillary is one of the best political debaters of our time. PLEASE. Trump doesn't even know how to debate, he just detracts and changes the topic to personal insult exchanges. Hillary will keep him on topic and answer the detailed questions that are tossed his way. And by no means is Hillary "soft," she'll get Trump or even Cruz for that matter, right together.
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Preach baby!!
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by jpow
Isn't Clinton's lead in Michigan like 65-35? Why would Bernie think they can snatch?
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I'm not particularly sure. Probably has to do with the Michigan being the whitest state with a big delegate allocation and maybe on the ground he feels comfortable? Flint's debate probably factors in as well as white working class voters making up a good part of the state
I think it's still out of his reach personally but he's making a play for it. He and his advisers said many times they were and that it was critical for him to win. Let's see what happens with it
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Originally posted by RatedG²
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Someone asked were there any states that have a chance of turning blue this year right? Clinton has real chances in GA, MT, MO, AR, LA, KY, and AZ. I would've included NC and VA but those are purple
Not saying she will win any of them but she has a much better chance than Sanders to switch those states blue. Sanders has a better chance at
NE (well one delegate proportion) and maybe WV. He won't turn the red over much but he can probably run up bigger margins in some of the deeper blue
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Actually, Hillary has a chance to take the Kansas caucus as well. The Kansas University basketball game is happening the exact same time as their caucus (KU is a HUGE basketball school). The students will be at that game and will not miss it for politics. The students were protesting the university to switch the game time to later, but they don't care and still have the original time set. That may take a bit of a blow to Bernie's camp since that's a major university with several students.
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Actually, Hillary has a chance to take the Kansas caucus as well. The Kansas University basketball game is happening the exact same time as their caucus (KU is a HUGE basketball school). The students will be at that game and will not miss it for politics. The students were protesting the university to switch the game time to later, but they don't care and still have the original time set. That may take a bit of a blow to Bernie's camp since that's a major university with several students.
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It lowkey cracks me up that issues like this really affect Bernie's campaign 
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Actually, Hillary has a chance to take the Kansas caucus as well. The Kansas University basketball game is happening the exact same time as their caucus (KU is a HUGE basketball school). The students will be at that game and will not miss it for politics. The students were protesting the university to switch the game time to later, but they don't care and still have the original time set. That may take a bit of a blow to Bernie's camp since that's a major university with several students.
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In before someone says the Clintons did it as some form of voter suppression!!
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Actually, Hillary has a chance to take the Kansas caucus as well. The Kansas University basketball game is happening the exact same time as their caucus (KU is a HUGE basketball school). The students will be at that game and will not miss it for politics. The students were protesting the university to switch the game time to later, but they don't care and still have the original time set. That may take a bit of a blow to Bernie's camp since that's a major university with several students.
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Not a basketball game possibly helping to determine the nominee 
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