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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by Bloo
Yes they do... Once she cracks that, then the super delegates are a LOT less likely to shift...
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Nope sorry, they're a lot less likely to shift when she wins the majority of the next 35+ primaries
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Butters
Bernie was a breath of fresh air for me and really got me excited this election cycle. The hoarse voiced, cranky old neighbor type who seemed like he understood the alienation I feel from today's mainstream politics. I guess I love rooting for underdogs?
His policies on college tuition/loan interest rates are very important to me, and I don't think Hillary would do anything different from Obama on those. If her GE win is secured as everybody here believes, why would my single vote for her matter?
I wouldn't go as far as to vote Trump, though; he's a dick.
Sorry about how melodramatic + childish this probably sound; I should be in bed and I still have homework to do.  |
Every vote counts. We all could say that, and then turnout would be 0. 
Out of all his plans, free college tuition would never happen. And the $15 federal minimum wage would be the worst. Other than that, he has some nice plans.
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Member Since: 9/18/2011
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Who is this John Kunichiwa character and how did he sneak his way into the primaries ?
Paulina Rubio's husband is low key cute! Too bad he's a republican he might have gotten some tweets in favor from me lol
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Bernie bros are literally the worst and most unreasonable. They're the equivalent to Twitter trolls of fan bases.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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So in preparing the schedule of debates for the 2016 election, Wasserman Schultz pared down the number of debates scheduled from the 26 that preceded Barack Hussein Obama's nomination to a mere six in this election season. Furthermore, Wasserman Schultz ensured that the debates would be scheduled in ratings graveyards, such as the most recent debate, a Saturday night before Christmas during a nationally-televised New York Jets football game, and the next debate, a Saturday night in the middle of the three-day Martin Luther King Jr. holiday weekend during a nationally-televised NFL playoff game.
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It's embarrassing how corrupt the DNC is 
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Andres
Nope sorry, they're a lot less likely to shift when she wins the majority of the next 35+ primaries
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Another person too stuck in the clouds. Please come back down to reality. She will not lose her superdelegates when she's literally so close to getting the nomination and being seen as the one who could take down Trump.
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Also, is an Elizabeth Warren endorsement expected soon considering Hillary won her state? 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Marvin
It's embarrassing how corrupt the DNC is |
The transparency 
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Marvin
Pretty much (although I don't know if I would go as far and say she's a Republican). Good article tbh  |
But most of those issues aren't that black and white. For example LGBT rights and campaign finance. While her record isn't as consistent as Sander's evolving on an issue may not be as good as being consistently on the right side of history, but it is better on the wrong side of history, right?
I mean who would you rather have, a person that used to be against gay marriage but is now for it or someone that is still not for it?
Hillary has been against Citizens United from the beginning. Yea, she accepted wall street money, but so did Obama. I truly believe you have to play the game to change the game.
Also, the post conveniently doesn't talk about abortion or gun control. It barely mentioned immigration. Okay so she voted for a border fence and thinks we should control our border. That's extremely different from building a wall and deporting all the undocumented immigrants and their children that have US citizenship. I would also like to know which specific bills are in question to what Sanders voted for. I don't really think Sanders wants completely open borders considering his vote against Ted Kennedy's immigration bill. 
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Another person too stuck in the clouds. Please come back down to reality. She will not lose her superdelegates when she's literally so close to getting the nomination and being seen as the one who could take down Trump.
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you're the one who needs to come down from the clouds, polls obviously show Bernie is better at taking down ANY republican, but when a Bernie supporter mentions it "National polls don't matter YET" lol
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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This article is pretty much how I see it, especially the last few paragraphs:
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Another hallmark of Democratic thinking is the Lesser-Of-Two-Evils situation - the belief that the party establishment need not heed calls for more progressive stances, since anybody who supports progressivism would never allow a Republican to thwart their causes, so they'll hold their nose and vote for the centrist "Third Way" candidate. You'll hear this from Hillary Clinton's supporters who criticize Sanders' supporters who will not vote for her in the general election, combined with threats of a President Trump, a repealed Affordable Care Act, and another couple of conservatives on the Supreme Court.
The danger facing Hillary Clinton, though, is that in this election, the greater evil may be perceived to be the continuation of the corrupt political system. Not only will a significant portion of Democratic and progressive voters feel the game is rigged and stay home on Election Day, but those independents and moderates who already see Clinton as untrustworthy and calculating will have their prejudices confirmed. If her opponent is Trump, he will paint her with "Professional Politician, Owned by Wall Street" in every speech and debate and many will see him as the lesser of two evils. Add to that the Republicans and conservatives who see her as the embodiment of evil itself and will turn out in record numbers to oppose her and you have a recipe for a second-straight Hillary Clinton presidential campaign failure.
One comment I read on the Internet summed it up. He expressed his support for Bernie Sanders as the only candidate who would fix the corrupt political system. He then said if the election came down to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, he'd vote for Trump, because he'd rather have a candidate who breaks the corrupt political system than one who thrives in it.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by hooky
Even if Bernie wins both the popular vote and the normal delegate counts, they'll still vote for her? If they do that it will split the party |
But mathematically the race is over in 2 weeks. That's what y'all are not getting.
In another primary race if that was to happen, then yes that's a problem. But that won't happen in 2016.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Bernie would not and cannot "fix the system."
That's all there is to it.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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The Republicans I know are NOT happy about tonight.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Andres
you're the one who needs to come down from the clouds, polls obviously show Bernie is better at taking down ANY republican, but when a Bernie supporter mentions it "National polls don't matter YET" lol
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Those matchup polls are literally stupid, and I have no idea how they are tallied up. Maybe a combination of likability, momentum, and past elections with a hint of bias? Because these wins seem to suggest otherwise.
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Member Since: 6/28/2008
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Originally posted by YSL
Also, is an Elizabeth Warren endorsement expected soon considering Hillary won her state? |
I don't think she will endorse until after the nomination is decided. Both Bernie and Hillary supporters like her. I think she realizes that, more than anyone else, she will be able to unite the party once the nomination is decided, and she won't be able to do that later if she speaks up now.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by YSL
Also, is an Elizabeth Warren endorsement expected soon considering Hillary won her state? |
Not expecting anything from her until Bernie officially bows out. She'll use her name and pedigree to try and mend fences, I imagine.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Retro
Bernie would not and cannot "fix the system."
That's all there is to it.
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Exactly. His message is almost predatory in a way because he's promising all of these young people all of these things that can't happen and they're totally buying it and throwing away money to him that they could be using towards their own future. Bernie is not a good person for doing this, I think. He looks selfish.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Butters
Bernie was a breath of fresh air for me and really got me excited this election cycle. The hoarse voiced, cranky old neighbor type who seemed like he understood the alienation I feel from today's mainstream politics and would fight for people like me! etc. I guess I love rooting for underdogs?
His policies on college tuition/loan interest rates are very important to me, and I don't think Hillary would do anything different from Obama on those. If her GE win is secured as everybody here believes, why would my single vote for her matter?
I wouldn't go as far as to vote Trump, though; he's a dick.
Sorry about how melodramatic + childish this probably sound; I should be in bed and I still have homework to do. |
I definitely don't think anyone is personally responsible for an election. I swear to god if I see another god damn post on Facebook telling me to vote or old people will decide my future, I will scream. Bitch, I am in Indiana. The primary here isn't until May. Also, It's not my sole fault if Trump or Clinton gets nominated.
I don't think guilt tripping people on the internet is really going to increase voter turnout. People are ignoring larger structural barriers to voting, e.g. voter I.D. laws, having election day on a Tuesday, not automatically being registered, not being a holiday, gerrymandering etc.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Retro
Bernie would not and cannot "fix the system."
That's all there is to it.
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So are you saying the only way to fix it is to break it entirely, either by voting Trump in or revolting?
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