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News: Indonesia is paranoid about LGBT rights
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Indonesia is paranoid about LGBT rights
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The hashtag was offensive enough. #TolakLGBT has been trending in Indonesia in recent weeks, and in Bahasa Indonesia, “tolak” means reject. Then this week Muslim activists held a rally against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights with the message: “LGBT is a disease, not a human right”.
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“We reject the LGBT because they asked for equality and legality from the government and it’s getting more and more disarming,” Muhammad Fuad, the leader of the Islamic People Forum (Forum Umat Islam/FUI) said. “If legalised, this disease will be more contagious and harmful to our children. Why would they even ask for legality?”
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Last month Indonesia’s technology, research and higher education minister Muhammad Nasir said:
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“LGBT groups [in Indonesian universities] cannot be allowed to grow or be given any space for all of their activities. Especially because of the fact that LGBT communities enter universities by way of resource and research centres.”
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Citing “morals” and “values” that Indonesian campuses should uphold, Nasir was responding to a debacle in which the University of Indonesia disassociated its name from a support group dedicated to sexual studies and peer counselling for students struggling with sexual problems, the Support Group and Resource Center on Sexual Studies Universitas Indonesia (SGRC).
In the aftermath, however, one member of SGRC was sent away from home and another received threats on her personal ask.fm account, one of which was a petition that all members be expelled from the university. Worried parents of one member would not allow their child in their house; they started getting questions and they were ashamed.
There was the time when a local celebrity named Sherina tweeted her support for the US Supreme Court ruling that allowed gay people to be legally married in all 50 states. The grievances that followed on her Twitter feed were astounding at best. Many responded with Koran passages – predominantly, the story of Lot – to condemn her. Others plainly called her an idiot and a traitor.
And the current storm in response to Nasir has produced the following responses: the Indonesian Psychiatrists Association has labelled LGBT as a mental disorder; our defence minister, Ryamizard Ryacudu, said that the movement was a proxy “war”. They quote scriptures from the Koran/Bible, threaten an increase in Aids, talk of the danger of a dwindling population, and say an affinity to Western products is the main propaganda tool that might trick kids into effeminacy.
Numerous ministers in Indonesia have weighed in on the subject. Many other ministers chose to remain less hostile, but are offensive all the same. Lukman Hakim, our religion minister, said that LGBT people should be “guided, rather than ostracised.”
That said, talking about these issues openly is at least progress. “It is indeed a sign of increasing visibility. At least people are now openly talking about it, however derisive their opinions might be. But at the same time, the fight has a long way to go,” said Luna Siagian, one member of SGRC who received threats on her ask.fm account..
After seeing how personal the ordeal had become for someone like Luna Sianian (someone went as far as to appeal for her expulsion from the University), I asked her if she is scared: “I am not. I really, really am not. I am well aware of my rights as a student in my campus. I am aware of the fact that [University of Indonesia] has a specific clause that prevents me from being discriminated by my sexual orientation,” she said.
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Mess.  I'll definitely just abandon this shitwhole and get out of here if this gets nastier.
EDIT: Source http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...nt-be-silenced
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the'll just cave in when the other countries fully accept it and start shading them.
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its getting worse now. No gay male are allowed to act feminin on TV, its forbidden to act feminine, act like a girl, having body language like a gay/girl, the television that showcased man with feminine attitude will get the punishment 
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Originally posted by BudBud
the'll just cave in when the other countries fully accept it and start shading them.
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They don't care really. They already said as an independent country they don't need validation from other countries and their policy can't be interfered by outside parties.
But on a bright side:
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Originally posted by katysus
They don't care really. They already said as an independent country they don't need validation from other countries and their policy can't be interfered by outside parties.
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mess. i was about to say this also after reading the article. but i still have hope since i dont see indo being as backwards as saudi.A tbh
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Originally posted by Pinter
its getting worse now. No gay male are allowed to act feminin on TV, its forbidden to act feminine, act like a girl, having body language like a gay/girl, the television that showcased man with feminine attitude will get the punishment |
Hi Pinter where in Indonesia are you from? I assume it must be easier for you since you're straight. I'm bi and still in the closet nn. It's always more complicated being bi. I will definitely join in the fight for LGBT rights once I'm in college which is this year. 
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mess. i was about to say this also after reading the article. but i still have hope since i dont see indo being as backwards as saudi.A tbh
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The problem is most conservative Muslims here are basing their views on Saudi Arabia. They think Islam = Saudi Arabia. If Saudi Arabia doesn't allow it, neither Indonesia.
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what did we expect from a country where the majority of the population is muslim  Bali stays unbothered tho
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We'll bully them until they're forced to accept it. 
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
what did we expect from a country where the majority of the population is muslim Bali stays unbothered tho |
Good thing Bali is the only province that isn't predominantly Muslim. I bet the majority are still against it, but they tend to be more open than their Muslim counterparts.
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Oop at me powering through Grindr in Bali right now. 
I found a FLAWLESS babe and he's joined me on my holiday for the whole week. So iconic! So much for my alone soul time.
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We'll bully them until they're forced to accept it. |
Please do it lol. Share this, make a tumblr post, etc
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Originally posted by katysus
Good thing Bali is the only province that isn't predominantly Muslim. I bet the majority are still against it, but they tend to be more open than their Muslim counterparts.
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Um what is this mess they're mostly Hindu. 
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Um what is this mess they're mostly Hindu. |
He said isnt, not is!
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Um what is this mess they're mostly Hindu. |
I know that's what I've been saying  Also, you're in Bali rn?
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Please do it lol. Share this, make a tumblr post, etc |
lol. I don't need to do it. There a millions of people who are already on it I'm sure. But I will help if I have the opportunity.
Indonesian people are horrible, horrible people for not supporting gay rights. They need to be humiliated.
If we abuse them enough they'll eventually agree with us.
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Oop at me powering through Grindr in Bali right now.
I found a FLAWLESS babe and he's joined me on my holiday for the whole week. So iconic! So much for my alone soul time. |
You got money? Wanna come to Florida?
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
what did we expect from a country where the majority of the population is muslim Bali stays unbothered tho |
It's not true. Jordan for example is one of the most accepting and advanced in LGBT rights, compared to most other countries in the Middle East. Same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1951!
In Albania, 70% of the population is Muslim, and it doesn't bother them to support LGBT rights fully.
Apart from these five countries, many more are included in the list of countries with large Muslim populations where it is legal to be gay, including Bahrain, Chad, Iraq, Burkina Faso, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Niger, Kosovo, Abkhazia, Azerbaijan , Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Kyrgyzstan, Northern Cyprus and Tajikistan.
I agree, we still have a lot to achieve, but we are on the way.
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I know that's what I've been saying Also, you're in Bali rn? |
Oh lol, sorry henny. Yep sure am! Two more days of my week left though. The thought of returning to NZ is beyond miserable. 
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