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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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No, you're wrong, Bernie and Hillary are closer to each other than Hillary is to Trump, much closer.
You're wrong, Hillary's not a "centralist" - she's progressive, nor is Trump, he's conservative.
You talked about Trump being the champion of the economy a couple of pages ago and now you're slamming his deportation plan for the potential economic damages it could make.
I'm sorry, but I don't think you have collected enough information. The presidential election is far more serious that it appears to be, it's not a "YAS QUEEN", "YAS KING" type of stan war, it's just not.
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Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic
Trump and Clinton are closer to each other than Trump is to Sanders. 
I view Clinton more as a centralist, and Sanders as far left(?) in the democratic scale.
Trump is surprisingly very moderate compared to the likes of Bush, etc...
So they are more close to each other, because they agree on what exactly the problems are in the country.. they just have strikingly different way of approach to it.
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I agree that something must be done with the illegal immigration problem.
Both Hillary and Trump agrees on the problem.
Their approach:
Trump wants them all deported in a year.. all 11 million of them: I strongly disagree on this. Deporting 11 million people will cost taxpayers so much money. So either let them stay and give them a chance to contribute to the society, or come up with a plan where deportation is gradual and the impact is negligible to the economy.
Hillary wants 11 million illegal immigrants to have a chance for citizenship: I despise this a LOT, since it's very insulting to the immigrants who spent so much just to come here through legal means, and have been through a lot of strict protocols and policies just to even be qualified, and yet we have all these 11 million border jumping aliens who are in for economic vulturing, and now they have a chance to be a full American citizen?
Weighing those in, Hillary's belief is a lot more unfair than that of Trump. So in that sense, I would lean towards Trump on this issue. IT would have been perfect if he would change his goal to deport 11 million in a span of 10 years, not in a span of a year. Radical change destroys the foundation that the last 25 years has built. |
Curious. Would you not say that illegals had their shares of giving up so much to just make it here? They may not be going through economic systems but I can't imagine that it's that much easier for them.
And I always been of the belief that Clinton is more closer to Sanders upon research. Which is why I don't mind voting for either.
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But everyone told me he was unrealistic, not willing to compromise, and won't get anything passed?
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Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic
And what I mean by Hillary and Trump is close to one another, I do mean *cough saying anything to get elected *cough
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I really am not sure if you're a troll or not 
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Originally posted by Marvin
But everyone told me he was unrealistic, not willing to compromise, and won't get anything passed?
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They lied to you  he was a very productive Senator, he co-sponsored hundreds and hundreds of bills, 203 of them became law. He's a progressive champion.
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Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic
And what I mean by Hillary and Trump is close to one another, I do mean *cough saying anything to get elected *cough
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
Curious. Would you not say that illegals had their shares of giving up so much to just make it here? They may not be going through economic systems but I can't imagine that it's that much easier for them.
And I always been of the belief that Clinton is more closer to Sanders upon research. Which is why I don't mind voting for either.
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Yeah, I get what you're saying. I respect that 100%.
Here's the thing though. Illegals are not refugees. They are not running away from war, from turmoil, from terrorism. Their lives may be at stake, but their lives are definitely not in danger. That's completely different from refugees seeking asylum.
America is built upon tradition and close knit culture, which is why it needs to take care of its own people first rather than catering to others.
I agree that we should be more lenient with them, but there needs to be ground rules so the system isn't exploited even more and ultimately damaging it permanently. 11 million refugees must have taken about 20 years of accumulation, and yet Trump wanted them all gone in a year. That is so bad.
Like I said, I support Trump, because his policies make sense the most to me.
But his social views are disgusting. But I think he's just saying that to get elected, to be honest. I'm sure he's had a lot of gay friends too.
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 that was a joke.. I hope Retro doesn't give me a lashing when he gets on.
#ILoveRetro.
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When you're pro-Hillary and she's your first choice but you're pro-Trump and he's your first choice and she's the queen but he's the ultimate king and she NEEDS to win but he needs to too and he's anoutstanding economist but his deportation plan would be an economic disaster and you agree with Trump but you're "pro-rights" but gay marriage is also meh cause what matters is the economy and it matters nore than small minorities being loud and Hillary and Trump are closer to each other politically than Hillary is to Sanders but really politically only means that Hillary (the queen) and Trump (the king) would say anything to get votes. Anyone but Sanders.
What even is life? 
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Is Hillary president yet? No? ill be back in November. 
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Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic
Yeah, I get what you're saying. I respect that 100%.
Here's the thing though. Illegals are not refugees. They are not running away from war, from turmoil, from terrorism. Their lives may be at stake, but their lives are definitely not in danger. That's completely different from refugees seeking asylum.
America is built upon tradition and close knit culture, which is why it needs to take care of its own people first rather than catering to others.
I agree that we should be more lenient with them, but there needs to be ground rules so the system isn't exploited even more and ultimately damaging it permanently. 11 million refugees must have taken about 20 years of accumulation, and yet Trump wanted them all gone in a year. That is so bad.
Like I said, I support Trump, because his policies make sense the most to me.
But his social views are disgusting. But I think he's just saying that to get elected, to be honest. I'm sure he's had a lot of gay friends too. |
Very well, I can accept this.
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Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic
that was a joke.. I hope Retro doesn't give me a lashing when he gets on.
#ILoveRetro. |
It was nice knowing you 
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
When you're pro-Hillary and she's your first choice but you're pro-Trump and he's your first choice and she's the queen but he's the ultimate king and she NEEDS to win but he needs to too and he's anoutstanding economist but his deportation plan would be an economic disaster and Hillary and Trump are closer to each other politically than Hillary is to Sanders but really politically only means that Hillary (the queen) and Trump (the king) would say anything to get voted.
Anyone but Sanders.
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If we have a candidate with Trump's economic agendas, and immigration policies combined with Hillary's social progressive adovacy and everything else in between. That's exactly what a perfect candidate would look like.
But they both have their own advantages and questionable disadvantages, that I get torn between those two
Like any other Canadian, I am fiscally conservative, and socially progressive. 
Not everything has to be about rights this rights that, passing amendments that don't even benefit the entire nation as a whole.
There has to be a balance in between that keeps the foundation of America strong.
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Yeah no... 
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Mickey's wall
Dddd.. Don't take my Trump stanning seriously... I was just going on extremes cause I wanna see the Bernie cult get riled up.
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We'd truly like this thread to be troll-free, respectful and mature. Please stop. 
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Yeah no...
We'd truly like this thread to be troll-free, respectful and mature. Please stop. |
By the way, here is the rest of my wall post to Mickey
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My beliefs is central between Trump and Hillary.
I disagree with Trump sending illegal immigrants in a year, that's like saying sending all the Syrian refugees back home from Canada. It'll cost the taxpayers more per person to deport them.
I disagree with Hillary's plan on allowing these illegal immigrants for a path to citizenship too.
So definitely something in between would be amazing!
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Of course a Sanders stan would selectively pick a single sentence as issue to justify an argument!
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What if I actually am serious about supporting both Trump and Clinton
And not you stalking.. |
But you're not, you're admittedly trolling. And I'm not stalking anyone, I got PM'd about it. Please keep this thread on-topic and don't troll, please don't post things to "get people riled up", please discuss candidates maturely and keep it on the issues.
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Many SC Senate Democrats are endorsing Bernie, I hope this helps
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Trump is not going to deport all illegals, but he is the strongest on the border in general (the plan on his website is really good), and that's why people support him on that issue.
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Originally posted by Marvin
But everyone told me he was unrealistic, not willing to compromise, and won't get anything passed?
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I think Bernie's past accomplishments are great but it's his current proposals that I think are unrealistic. For example, he says his wall street speculation tax will bring in $300 billion annually, but it assumes that trading volume will drop only by 50%. That's blatantly unrealistic, since over 50% of US trading volume are high frequency trades, and each of those trades have a profit of around 0.5%. If there is a speculation tax of 0.5% as Bernie proposes, this industry would become unprofitable and over 50% of trading volume wouldn't exist anymore - not to mention any other projected decrease in activity.
A similar tax in the UK brings in only $4 billion annually, and their financial market is around 1/6 of the size of ours - so a more realistic projected revenue for Bernie's wall street speculation tax would be $24 billion.
(edited because i had wrong info x_x)
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Originally posted by Mickey
I think Bernie's past accomplishments are great but it's his current proposals that I think are unrealistic. For example, he says his wall street speculation tax will bring in $300 billion annually, but it assumes that trading volume will drop only by 50%. That's blatantly unrealistic, since over 50% of US trading volume are high frequency trades, and each of those trades have a profit of around 0.5%. If there is a speculation tax of 0.5% as Bernie proposes, this industry would become unprofitable and over 50% of trading volume wouldn't exist anymore - not to mention any other projected decrease in activity.
A similar tax in the UK brings in only $4 billion annually, and their financial market is around 1/6 of the size of ours - so a more realistic projected revenue for Bernie's wall street speculation tax would be $24 billion.
(edited because i had wrong info x_x)
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Yeah tbh the Wall Street tax plan is kinda weak but it could probably be funded by other sources or through other parts of his plan that generates revenue. Not really sure though
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