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News: "White guilt" video Stirs uproar and gets banned
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Originally posted by Roman Holiday
BECAUSE THIS IS BS.
Black people are helping each other. There are black colleges, black institutions, black social activist groups. Black figures like Beyoncé are shining light on issues in the media. There are black people protesting as we speak. Black people have been fighting for police reform for years now. Black people have been fighting since the 50s for social justice in general, what the hell are you guys even talking about? You guys keep trying to deflect from the main issue, which is that white people (in America, if that makes you feel better) aren't trying to hear it. You have idiots like the ones who wanted to protest Beyoncé for dressing like a Black Panther and going against the police. THAT is who we are talking to. THOSE are the kind of people minorities are fighting against. And if you're not one of those people, then why are you up in here trying to deflect?
Yes, black on black crime exist, but it's completely irrelevant since every concentrated minority group has crime within the community. Yes, even white people.
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1. "White people in America". Again and again, every single white person in America isn't hearing it? Discussing it? Do you want me to mention the name of a few white people who are raising awareness on this matter? Fighting racism and Social inequality while generalizing an entire race seems flawed.
2. "In America" doesn't make me feel better or worse, makes me feel that most Americans are self-centered and talk about an entire race without caring of what's going on around them. African countries are STILL experiencing racism and slavery by the hands of... wait.. Black People (gasp!). But you Americans choose to ignore it and stay focused on your own problems without even understanding that every race experienced slavery and racism (and still does). It's a world problem, not yours. And I don't see you fight for other races in America who suffer from social inequality along with Black people, yet you are aware of this issue as well.
3. Yes, "idiots like the ones who wanted to protest Beyoncé for dressing like a Black Panther and going against the police. ". Funny thing, the "idiot" that started the protest and went on national news because of it is.... black. But if YOU are telling me that the Black community is helping itself, I must agree.
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Originally posted by Roman Holiday
Considering how many supporters people like Donald Trump, Ann Coulter, the entire Fox News staff have and the fact that there are still white supremacy groups in America show that there are still people who are willing to treat minorities as lesser beings, so I really don't see what difference it makes.
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Yes because all Trump supporters are just die hard racists  The overwhelming majority of Trump supporters only support Trump because he was different than all the other candidates in that he's not from the political class. Trump dropped that persona he had in August because he only cared about it (immigration, radical Islam etc ) because it got him votes. He has barely made any remarks in the past two months anyway. And Ann Coulter and Fox news. Since when has she been the beacon for all white people?
"I don't see what difference it makes" perfectly summarizes the key issue here that I guess you do not have the mental capacity to comprehend. You literally just made yourself into the biggest hypocrite in this thread. When the other poster made a comment about black people taking responsibility you immediately went off about the generalization of it. Then you sit here and make a similar generalization in scope about all white people because "some" are part of white supremacist groups. 5,000 people are part of the KKK as of 2015 5,000 out over over 150 MILLION.
And then when people make similar generalizations about Muslims everybody goes off. So please explain to me why your generalization is sound while others are not?
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by Roman Holiday
Well thank god. You left here learning nothing, good for you.
And just remember that usually when you feel offended it's because a hit dog will holler, so go to sleep tonight pondering why you feel how you do.
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Feeling great thank you, because I live my life with an open mind and tend not to generalize and discriminate people based on their background.
Hope you can do the same.
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The problem is that certain ATRL members keep saying 'Whites this' 'Whites that'. Why not say 'some Whites this' 'some Whites that'. Why generalize all Whites as Racist and Privileged. The more you keep up with the generalizations over and over, then people are just going to shut down and not listen and learn anything from one another.
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Originally posted by Mekitor
The problem is that certain ATRL members keep saying 'Whites this' 'Whites that'. Why not say 'some Whites this' 'some Whites that'. Why generalize all Whites as Racist and Privileged. The more you keep up with the generalizations over and over, then people are just going to shut down and not listen and learn anything from one another.
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Thank you.
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Roman Holiday
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I said several posts ago I was not referring to all white people and I shouldn't have to keep reiterated that because some of you lack comprehension skills. Im not playing the semantics game.
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Originally posted by Mekitor
The problem is that certain ATRL members keep saying 'Whites this' 'Whites that'. Why not say 'some Whites this' 'some Whites that'. Why generalize all Whites as Racist and Privileged. The more you keep up with the generalizations over and over, then people are just going to shut down and not listen and learn anything from one another.
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Well, the privilege thing isn't really a generalization, because (at least in the West) all white people are privileged by virtue of their race. They may face oppression at other intersections (class, wealth, sexuality, religion, etc.) but being white gives them a distinct advantage over non-white people.
As for generalizing... I'm not saying I endorse this viewpoint, but I think it has something to do with getting white people to examine themselves or something like that. Like if you say " some white people," then all white people will automatically assume that you're not talking about them, since they don't tend to see themselves as racist, even when they are. Which isn't to say that all white people are racist, but...
...okay, this is harder to explain than I thought. Someone else want to step in?
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
Well, the privilege thing isn't really a generalization, because (at least in the West) all white people are privileged by virtue of their race. They may face oppression at other intersections (class, wealth, sexuality, religion, etc.) but being white gives them a distinct advantage over non-white people.
As for generalizing... I'm not saying I endorse this viewpoint, but I think it has something to do with getting white people to examine themselves or something like that. Like if you say "some white people," then all white people will automatically assume that you're not talking about them, since they don't tend to see themselves as racist, even when they are. Which isn't to say that all white people are racist, but...
...okay, this is harder to explain than I thought. Someone else want to step in?
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Nope. You did a pretty good job. Thank you for using common sense.
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
Well, the privilege thing isn't really a generalization, because (at least in the West) all white people are privileged by virtue of their race. They may face oppression at other intersections (class, wealth, sexuality, religion, etc.) but being white gives them a distinct advantage over non-white people.
As for generalizing... I'm not saying I endorse this viewpoint, but I think it has something to do with getting white people to examine themselves or something like that. Like if you say "some white people," then all white people will automatically assume that you're not talking about them, since they don't tend to see themselves as racist, even when they are. Which isn't to say that all white people are racist, but...
...okay, this is harder to explain than I thought. Someone else want to step in?
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Its fairly accurate but its not the truth. Having "privilege" for being white is a ridiculous notion that was conjured up in the past year. Privilege is an advantage given to a small percentage of the whole. You cannot have privilege based on being white because 70% of the country is white. As a white person statistically speaking you will be competing against other white people for college acceptances, jobs and most other life events. Yes certain issues give advantage in some aspects but the notion that being born white is an automatic factor of success is just as ridiculous as it sounds. Like you said class, wealth, religion, sexuality and so many other factors are the true drivers of "privilege" not just being white. So in essence generalizing all white people in any form is not only misguided but simply just detrimental to the cause.
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Originally posted by Roman Holiday
I said several posts ago I was not referring to all white people and I shouldn't have to keep reiterated that because some of you lack comprehension skills. Im not playing the semantics game.
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Once again further proving you hypocrisy. And nice not quoting me since you know you have no valid arguments to counteract anything I'm saying. You said in ONE post that you were not referring to all white people and then in continuing posts make inferences the imply to all white people. So you don't have to reiterate it every post but the second a member with a different viewpoint than you fails to put "some" before black people you go off. Obviously most people aren't referring to an entire race when they make a claim but you can't get mad at somebody 5 pages back and try and defend the stance you were just attacking.
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Oh no! Poor white people and their privileges
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Originally posted by KyIe
Once again further proving you hypocrisy. And nice not quoting me since you know you have no valid arguments to counteract anything I'm saying. You said in ONE post that you were not referring to all white people and then in continuing posts make inferences the imply to all white people. So you don't have to reiterate it every post but the second a member with a different viewpoint than you fails to put "some" before black people you go off. Obviously most people aren't referring to an entire race when they make a claim but you can't get mad at somebody 5 pages back and try and defend the stance you were just attacking.
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I didn't quote because frankjly, you're boring me now dear. And I'm already wasting enough time on your ass when I have other stuff to do. Talking to a lamp post is not how I wanted to spend my beautiful Sunday evening. I might come back later to clock you and your continued deflections, or I might not. No matter what, you're part of the problem whether you want to admit it to yourself or not because you keep trying to downplay that racism is still an issue and its only a once and a while thing. You would also rather be vindicated than to actually see the perspective from a minority, because just like the SOME whites I'm describing, your pride is more important than all else.
Oh and not once did I ever say you were generalizing all black people. The closest I came was asking you "Do you really think all black people are doing nothing". Which you answered, so I didn't bring that back up.
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Originally posted by Roman Holiday
I didn't quote because frankjly, you're boring me now dear. And I'm already wasting enough time on your ass when I have other stuff to do. Talking to a lamp post is not how I wanted to spend my beautiful Sunday evening. I might come back later to clock you and your continued deflections, or I might not. No matter what, you're part of the problem whether you want to admit it to yourself or not because you keep trying to downplay that racism is still an issue and its only a once and a while thing. You would also rather be vindicated than to actually see the perspective from a minority, because just like the SOME whites I'm describing, your pride is more important than all else.
Oh and not once did I ever say you were generalizing all black people. The closest I came was asking you "Do you really think all black people are doing nothing". Which you answered, so I didn't bring that back up.
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I'm not the lamp post between the two of us  There are many members on here with educated formulated answers and you are not one of them. Yup, I'm part of the problem not because I disagree with you. Never tried to downplay anything said that about 20 times. I said that these movements are misguided and thus, they will not promote any change in the black community. Key difference there that you really cannot comprehend. You literally clocked me in none of your posts either, you just avoided everything I had to say and responded to other posters who were easy for you to pick apart. Just because some other ATRL members share this ridiculous view of yours doesn't make it any better. Just shows you're all ignorant and its not just you
And I'm not looking to be "vindicated" or to boast my pride that does not even make any sense. Vindicated by whom? Most people on this sit are to hard headed to see the real picture anyway. I pointed out the root of the problem, explained that social equality movements only focusing on white people (police brutality, cultural appropriation etc) don't actually help black people, and then said that focusing on more pressing issues (education, drugs/crimes) would better serve to improve the African American community.
If you disagree with that than I guess you want society to stay exactly how it is. Bye now.
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WTF is 'white guilt'? 
I definitely don't feel guilty about anything concerning my race/other races.
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Originally posted by KyIe
I'm not the lamp post between the two of us  There are many members on here with educated formulated answers and you are not one of them. Yup, I'm part of the problem not because I disagree with you. Never tried to downplay anything said that about 20 times. I said that these movements are misguided and thus, they will not promote any change in the black community. Key difference there that you really cannot comprehend. You literally clocked me in none of your posts either, you just avoided everything I had to say and responded to other posters who were easy for you to pick apart. Just because some other ATRL members share this ridiculous view of yours doesn't make it any better. Just shows you're all ignorant and its not just you
And I'm not looking to be "vindicated" or to boast my pride that does not even make any sense. Vindicated by whom? Most people on this sit are to hard headed to see the real picture anyway. I pointed out the root of the problem, explained that social equality movements only focusing on white people (police brutality, cultural appropriation etc) don't actually help black people, and then said that focusing on more pressing issues (education, drugs/crimes) would better serve to improve the African American community.
If you disagree with that than I guess you want society to stay exactly how it is. Bye now.
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I am a minority here and totally hear and agree with most of what you said in this thread. But the same ATRL members are just so delusional and hardheaded.  They just jump on the racial bandwagon without reading and comprehending some of the points already mention here. 
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