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Poll: Did Beyoncé offend you???
View Poll Results: Did Beyoncé's SB50 performance offend you???
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Yes
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No
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Superpower
No one thinks that. And when a minority kills a white, it's proven that he gets more jail time than the opposite. This is of course, if the judge doesn't let him go free as we've seen in the last few years.
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Consider My all the people defending the black panthers in here, some do. But I'm done debating this with people who genuinely aren't interested in intelligent discussion.
If someone is capable of actually having a mature and intelligent convo, you're welcome to PM me and I'm happy to have one. But I'm not doing this
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Actually, Beyoncé's outfit was a nod to MJ. But her dancers outfits were referencing the Black Panther Party very explicitly and when they got in formation, they form an X, leading people to say it was a nod to Malcom X
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Repo, there are people in this thread that have responded to you with legit/intelligent discussion and respectable responses. Are you sure you're okay?
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So much nonsense in here. The BPP encouraged using force and violence as a means of self defense, not terrorism. The KKK was and still is a violent terrorist organization. The BPP were militant and any militant group risks attracting violent and aggressive radicals and there are isolated instances of violent acts carried out by BPP members; however, that was not violence sanctioned and condoned by the group as a whole like the Klan.
The KKK were burning down houses, hanging people, dragging people behind cars, bombing black businesses and churches for decades and are responsible for the murders of over 4,000 American citizens. What they stood for and carried out as an organization is in no way comparable to what the BPP stood for as a whole. Stop with that nonsensical comparison.
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Originally posted by Trent W
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Lol no need to Trent. You've already expressed how you feel about this issue plenty.
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Originally posted by Repo
That's how your post came across. You're literally calling a group of murderers heroes, downplaying their violence, and justifying their actions with "Blacks have been historically oppressed." Yes, slavery is awful. Yes, the KKK is awful. Yes, the treatment of blacks has been atrocious throughout history. No one denies that, but this doesn't mean the actions of the Black Panthers is remotely justified. Meeting murder with murder is never the solution. Is it truly THAT HARD for you to admit the Black Panthers are simply wrong for what they do?
I'd also like to point out that comparable does NOT mean the same. Comparable means one can simply compare them on some kind of level. Nazis and Communists are comparable, despite the ideologies being vastly different. Rosa Parks is comparable Susan B Anthony, both are women who fought for the rights of an oppressed group, even if the groups are different and the oppression was different. The Black Panthers being comparable to the KKK means they have traits in common, an objective fact. It does not mean they are the same. It does not mean their history is the same. It does not mean their end goals are the same. The very fact the two are race-related activists groups makes them comparable. The fact they promote their goals through violence and murder means there's objective similaritie.
I don't deny that Malcolm X is important to history or to civil rights. He was. But he shouldn't be glorified either. That man did horrible things and was very much a supremacist. Bad people and bad actions can lead to good results, but they should never be treated as good people or good actions (see: bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Obviously, this was awful and in NO WAY morally justified. However, it did lead to a quicker end to World War 2. Therefore, terrible action, positive result)
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He's a hero and should be celebrated. DEAL.
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Originally posted by Ascension
So much nonsense in here. The BPP encouraged using force and violence as a means of self defense, not terrorism. The KKK was and still is a violent terrorist organization. The BPP were militant and any militant group risks attracting violent and aggressive radicals and there are isolated instances of violent acts carried out by BPP members; however, that was not violence sanctioned and condoned by the group as a whole like the Klan.
The KKK were burning down houses, hanging people, dragging people behind cars, bombing black businesses and churches for decades and are responsible for the murders of over 4,000 American citizens. What they stood for and carried out as an organization is in no way comparable to what the BPP stood for as a whole. Stop with that nonsensical comparison.
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The government also worked hard to dismantle the BPP
But the KKK is still going strong.
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Originally posted by Repo
Consider My all the people defending the black panthers in here, some do. But I'm done debating this with people who genuinely aren't interested in intelligent discussion.
If someone is capable of actually having a mature and intelligent convo, you're welcome to PM me and I'm happy to have one. But I'm not doing this
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I stopped reading your first comment halfway because it was full of untrue generalizations. And I didn't bother to correct you because I know you're not open minded enough to accept valid arguments.
However when you said, we were ok with minorities murdering whites, I had to put you back on your seat. That's an offensive statement.
And no, no one will PM you because of your high and mighty attitude, and because contrary to what you think, you don't appear mature and intelligent. At least not in this thread.
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No. I didn't even know her performance was about racism. I thought her and Bruno were doing an MJ tribute.
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Originally posted by Ascension
So much nonsense in here. The BPP encouraged using force and violence as a means of self defense, not terrorism. The KKK was and still is a violent terrorist organization. The BPP were militant and any militant group risks attracting violent and aggressive radicals and there are isolated instances of violent acts carried out by BPP members; however, that was not violence sanctioned and condoned by the group as a whole like the Klan.
The KKK were burning down houses, hanging people, dragging people behind cars, bombing black businesses and churches for decades and are responsible for the murders of over 4,000 American citizens. What they stood for and carried out as an organization is in no way comparable to what the BPP stood for as a whole. Stop with that nonsensical comparison.
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This. Also don't forget that the BPP was born out of necessity. Minorities were being killed and justice wasn't being served. Minorities were being fired from their jobs for no reasons, etc... But somehow, some people will only believe whatever Fox News tells them
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Originally posted by FloridaKilos
No. I didn't even know her performance was about racism. I thought her and Bruno were doing an MJ tribute.
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Yea her outfit was a MJ reference
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Originally posted by Nemo
Lol no need to Trent. You've already expressed how you feel about this issue plenty.
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Yes I expressed my opinion in a very respectful way. Are you proud of me?
And I wouldn't go as far as using Yahoo answers as a source or siding the kkk.
I'm a good guy. ![:)](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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No, I'm not racist ![@michael.](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/micheal_zps45ccf519.gif)
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The nerve to undermine the Black Panthers and give in to white racists version of them being the KKK and refusing to acknowledge the viewpoints of anyone defending them. You deserve no response, troll.
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Originally posted by Callisto.
The government also worked hard to dismantle the BPP
But the KKK is still going strong.
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Exactly there was no heavy COINTELPRO targeting of the KKK -- easily the most radically dangerous and violent domestic terrorist group in the history of our nation -- like there was with groups like the BPP and SWP.
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I didn't care, and no one I know cared (haven't witnessed a single post or conversation about it). 'Albino alligators' is super corny though.
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Originally posted by Allie
I didn't care, and no one I know cared (haven't witnessed a single post or conversation about it). 'Albino alligators' is super corny though.
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That's a shoe reference.
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Originally posted by Ascension
That's a shoe reference.
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Not buying it, sorry.
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