A really great article to think about from NYT: Unskilled Workers Lose out to Immigrants

The article has a lot of useful data so check that out. I understand immigration is important but wow, our native born impoverished are really losing out massively to illegal (and legal) immigration. What do you guys think?

I'm not surprised but ppl on here are gonna find an excuse for this mess smh

you think illegal immigrants can get any better job than minimum wage? they're only losing McDonald type of jobs

This. I doubt the young are going to want to take custodial/hard labor jobs.

Did you read even the title of the article before posting in here We're talking about unskilled workers (i.e. no college education) and poor native-born Americans. Not adults with college degrees

So don't be unskilled

basically this. get a degree like everyone - everyone is in debt nowadays so what's your problem? or start your own business. do you really wanna work at KFC your whole life?

and for the poors, many successful people started off poor too. being poor is not excuse for "no, we can't do anything because illegal immigrants take all the jobs". I'm 100% sure employers will prefer to hire native-borns who know English and local customs rather than some illegal immigrants

Not everyone has to or wants to get a degree.

Also, some people already have their house paid for and want to get a small job for a little income.

And what about people who are in the 45-65 range? You seriously expect them to get a degree at that age?

Talent always wins

dd actually immigrants here in Italy mostly do jobs the Italians wouldn't do so they aren't really stealing jobs

These excuses telling young people to "start your own business"

Duh. That's why legalizing is important, so they would have to receive the same minimum wage as any other American, therefore eliminating the "advantage" in hiring illegals.

As if the young and poor would accept taking the jobs that the immigrants get anyway.

If people really wanted those jobs, they would go get them. Even then if people get degrees, there is still a lack of jobs for them with their degree which tells you that the problem isn't illegal immigrants. It's the ****ing job market in the first place.

I find it particularly interesting that the presence of more immigrants taking low income jobs relates to increased rates of crime and poverty among African American men. x

There's lots of studies like this. It's so sad to see native-born Americans end up being even more worse off than immigrants. Telling black people to just "get a job!" and "ignore institutional racism!" is just ...

American poor would take any job they can get like anyone else but the influx of millions of illegal immigrants obviously makes the market more competitive for them and the studies are showing that our own native-born are losing out hugely.

Believe it or not, there are MANY young entrepreneurs out there you should go out more, or read some newspapers every now and then

then they can start a business. open a small store. selling stuff online. or if they don't want to do that there're jobs for older people too, they just have to look for it. go to an agent or something. the possibility is ENDLESS

if you blame illegal immigrants who have NO language skills, NO finance, NO legal documents etc for your problems, then maybe the problem is actually YOU

You must be unaware of what happened to Alabama.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/few-amer...bs-in-alabama/


I've actually gone olive picking in the freezing cold when I was younger and since they pay by the bucket it's only worth doing the job if you're really good at it. I said "**** it" after the first day cuz I was so bad at it.

this is really disingenuous. there are a lot of factors that have led to growing unemployment rates, not just illegal immigrants. also, the rate of illegal immigrants since 2000 hasn't grown by even close to 16 million, so blaming that entirely on immigrants makes no sense anyway.

and no, wages have not declined because of illegal immigrants. i'm not entirely convinced about how nonpartisan it is, but this article has useful information about why wages have declined. to put it basically, it has much more to do with bad government and business owner decisions than illegal immigrants.

this is a blatant lie. the fastest growing careers in the US are actually STEM careers. unless all STEM fields are exclusively populated by immigrants (which they're not, because these are high-education level jobs that require extensive college experience, which illegal immigrants are less likely to have), this isn't true at all.

i'm sure you're trolling, but there are people that legitimately believe this, so i think it's important to point out that you're wrong.

Well for many jobs you need to have a social security number. Employers are corrupt and aren't hiring people who are here legally sometimes.

Also, in some cases, immigrant workers do the jobs no one wants to do. It's not a myth that any American i willing to work in say, agriculture: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...-find-workers/