Discussion: Is Beyonce a Legend already? - Page 7

Bríseis

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Originally posted by swissman

I may have spoken to harshly in regards to Ella (who I love) when all I meant was that you don’t need to have single-handedly and very clearly changed the music industry to be labelled a legend. So while Ella certainly influenced many, her music did not bring about a complete change in the way that so many posters seem to require of Beyoncé.

If you’re confused about what rap-singing means, think about someone rapping but with melody. That doesn’t mean that it’s always going to be staccato. It also is simply really fast with few breaks in sentences in the way that rappers say their lines. You’re holding up on the word staccato when that’s really not what this is about.

You can also hear the difference between J.Lo’s debut single If You Had My Love and songs like Love Don’t Cost a Thing which came out once the rap-sung style was more firmly cemented after the #1 hit of Bills, Bills, Bills.

And this is a style Beyoncé is known for and excels at. She's done it throughout her career in other songs such as Diva, Video Phone, Bow Down, Flawless etc.

Im not confused at all. After listening to the songs, I have a very good idea what you mean. And my conclusion? That you are trying to make a big deal out of nothing. Hip hop is based on "rapping with melody with breaks in sentences" and its usually in staccato but not always has to be. What you describe is in fact the influence of rap and hip hop that grew popular in mid 90s reflected in pop and RnB music. Bey is the results of said impact, not a creator of one.

swissman

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Originally posted by Bríseis

Im not confused at all. After listening to the songs, I have a very good idea what you mean. And my conclusion? That you are trying to make a big deal out of nothing. Hip hop is based on "rapping with melody with breaks in sentences" and its usually in staccato but not always has to be. What you describe is in fact the influence of rap and hip hop that grew popular in mid 90s reflected in pop and RnB music. Bey is the results of said impact, not a creator of one.

You could make this type of case for most new musical changes though. Music doesn’t just suddenly become created with no prior influences. Genres mix and create new styles.

But even in the late 1990s when hip-hop was becoming more popular, there still was a separation from it and the type of pristine pop music being produced by N*SYNC or Jennifer Lopez. It wasn’t until the early 2000s that rap was pop. Bey is the result of hip hop’s impact you say, and in being so, she bridges the gap between pop music and rap where songs that are not even hip-hop (J.Lo, Rihanna, Britney) then start using this DC style. Not a rap style, not just featuring a rapper but a hybrid from the singer herself.

I don’t think this matters though. You think I am making a big deal but I’m just explaining it. A legend needs not to revolutionize music. They simply have to be immensely well regarded and respected, their very name giving a sense of awe. Often, revolutionizing music gets you there, other times simply being successful or talented in an important way does. For example, do you think Diana Ross is a legend?

Also the words you quoted, I said it wrong. I meant "rapping with melody with very little breaks between sentences".

MillionLights

NO AND SHE NEVER WILL BE