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Celeb News: George Clooney on Oscars: we need to get better at this
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Originally posted by FAME.
What does this have to do with anything?  He is a white actor. He can't help it if those are the movies he is casted for. That doesn't mean he can't recognize or speak on the lack of diversity in the industry. It makes even MORE sense for him to do so actually, because he knows first hand.
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Reading is essential.
HE WAS THE ONE WHO CAST THOSE FILMS because he directed them! How can he not "help it"?
He knows first hand about putting together films all about white people, yes. So it makes more sense to complain when he's not doing anything about his white bias?
That’s like saying “ew, at people who say no spice, no rice...I mean, I don’t date anyone besides white people but that’s just my preference.”
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hmm ok clooney what about asians
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Originally posted by Brando
Ye, but when the Academy is 94% white, 76% male, and with an average age of 63 you can't really expect "quality" to be the only factor they are looking for. (those are actual numbers)
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Wtf are these numbers correct? If so.... 
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Originally posted by FAME.
What does this have to do with anything?  He is a white actor. He can't help it if those are the movies he is casted for. That doesn't mean he can't recognize or speak on the lack of diversity in the industry. It makes even MORE sense for him to do so actually, because he knows first hand.
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Those are the stars of films that Clooney has written / produced / directed, meaning that he had the ability to cast minority actors in his own films but did not, and it is therefore hypocritical for him to speak out about this issue when he has contributed repeatedly to the problem.
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Originally posted by Brando
Ye, but when the Academy is 94% white, 76% male, and with an average age of 63 you can't really expect "quality" to be the only factor they are looking for. (those are actual numbers)
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Right? It absolutely is not a meritocracy as it exists.
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Originally posted by fridayteenage
Reading is essential.
HE WAS THE ONE WHO CAST THOSE FILMS because he directed them! How can he not "help it"?
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Do you realize movies are casted through casting agencies and casting directors. George Clooney isn't personally picking and choosing people himself. It's a long process that goes through numerous people
Which once again goes back to the main problem being the industry itself. Which is exactly what he's stating.
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My boss just told me that for these award shows that all the voters are over age 65, most of them are white, and all males? Why the hell is that the case? We need to have a diverse group of younger people doing the nominations. Blacks, Caucasions, Hispanics, Asians, ages 18-40, males, females, transgenders... If that is the case this is entirely ********. Something needs to change.
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Originally posted by Brando
Ye, but when the Academy is 94% white, 76% male, and with an average age of 63 you can't really expect "quality" to be the only factor they are looking for. (those are actual numbers)
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wow. This is horrible. These Academy's need to be diverse, I'm disgusted.
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Originally posted by FefeDobson
Nominations shouldn't be about skin color though, they should be about quality. If you deserved your nomination, then you deserved your nomination, correct?
How are nominations even picked?
They need to be diverse with nominations for all races, sexualities, etc. It's 2016 and it seems like we're moving backwards with race and not forward.
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I think that is what he is saying. There is usually one black films that are seen as Oscar worthy every couple of years. From that one film, they pool as many actors from their to nominate. We should have more than that. More people of color names need to be in the race along with those White nominees.
Also, I think Dope should have gotten a nominated for Cinematography. It was a a beautifully shot film.
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Originally posted by Miley Cyrus
SJWs won 
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Originally posted by Achilles.
Those are the stars of films that Clooney has written / produced / directed, meaning that he had the ability to cast minority actors in his own films but did not, and it is therefore hypocritical for him to speak out about this issue when he has contributed repeatedly to the problem.
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Actually no its not. It's good he realizes it's a problem. Better late than never.
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Originally posted by FAME.
Do you realize movies are casted through casting agencies and casting directors. George Clooney isn't personally picking and choosing people himself. It's a long process that goes through numerous people
Which once again goes back to the main problem being the industry itself. Which is exactly what he's stating.
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Yeah, I'm so sure that King George Clooney doesn't have the power to assemble together actors he likes for the main roles in his films.
Casting agencies are largely for the smaller parts and to find unknowns.
You think an effing casting agency was the one who found Matt Damon, Bill Murray, John Goodman, and Jean Dujardin for him?
I guess a casting agency is the one who brings Jennifer Lawrence to David O Russell each time too since you state that a director doesn't "pick and choose actors himself." A casting agency is the only reason Martin Scorsese keeps ending up with Leonardo DiCaprio as his films' star. Tim Burton's casting agency must be a big fan of Johnny Depp.
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Not the majority of the comments on the first page completely ignoring the point and trying to be funny and witty with a stale attempt at sarcasm. This is why we can never have a mature, educational conversation about this type of stuff on ATRL. Some of you are so damn transparent. 
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Originally posted by fridayteenage
Yeah, I'm so sure that King George Clooney doesn't have the power to assemble together actors he likes for the main roles in his films.
Casting agencies are largely for the smaller parts and to find unknowns.
You think an effing casting agency was the one who found Matt Damon, Bill Murray, John Goodman, and Jean Dujardin for him?
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Yes because I'm sure George Clooney, realistically, had a black actor in mind when he was making A German WW2 film in 1940's, a biographical film about a white man, a film about a politician and presidential candidate and a historical film set in 1950's white America. It's logical. Obviously directors do have the final say, but why would I expect him to cast Idris Elba as a 1940's army Sergeant?
It all has to do with the industry itself anyway (the demand for black production/films in the first place, the amount of respect they deserve, the budget/marketability of said films, the amount of revenue they generate, etc). He is far from the problem. And I really don't see how you're bashing him for speaking out and recognizing that there is one regardless.
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If you're going that route, then it's logical that all the movies he wants to make just happen to be super centered around white people, a coincidence.
The key to change is for there to be more movies with opportunities for non-white people, and if he keeps making movies about All Whites All the Time, he's doing nothing to help anyone.
It's fine in theory if he's "no rice, no spice," but not if he tries to call other people out for doing the same.
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Originally posted by fridayteenage
If you're going that route, then it's logical that all the movies he wants to make just happen to be super centered around white people, a coincidence.
The key to change is for there to be more movies with opportunities for non-white people, and if he keeps making movies about All Whites All the Time, he's doing nothing to help anyone.
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George Clooney is the last person that needs to be making movies centered around black people, about black people, etc. for the simple fact that he isn't black. There needs to be MORE black directors getting major opportunities, more black screen writers, more black producers in the industry in the first place. Expecting George Clooney to create films about **** that he as no experience in, etc is dumb as ****. There needs to be more Spike Lee's and Lee Daniels' not Steven Spielberg making films about black people. That would end up being problematic anyway, black people do not want to hear a black story told through the eyes of some clueless white person.
It's more of an issue, imo, for roles that are ambiguous and could be played by anyone. Which is what I'm pretty sure he's referring to.
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So...you agree that either A) he doesn't have nearly enough roles that are ambiguous and could be played by anyone in his films, or B) the major ones he does have in his films he fills with white people.
Because I never said he should make black movies; I said if he wants to help, he shouldn't just make films where all the main characters/actors are white. You're just pulling random things out to try to argue your point.
Oh, and "George Clooney is assembling an all-star cast featuring Matt Damon, Julianne Moore and Josh Brolin for his next directorial venture." I guess the press missed the memo that it's obviously his casting agency who brought them on.
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