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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Bloo
I definitely think he tried to argue his point for healthcare, I just think he was confused as to what Hillary meant, honestly. Hillary said that his plan would start the entire legislative process over, citing how difficult it was just to get Obamacare, let alone a new single-payer policy. Bernie was focused more so on who was covered and didn't see how Hillary said it wasn't expanding upon Obamacare (in a legislative way). Maybe if they weren't rushed to move on, we could have gotten a better answer for that issue.
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Yeah being cut off and rushed really ruined some moments but I think in the end it was definitely clear that Hillary want to improve on ACA and Bernie want a better universal healthcare (reset).
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Originally posted by RatedG²
So what Clinton said about Sanders being against Obama was mostly true
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Yeah they quoted it back in the thread earlier.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
So what Clinton said about Sanders being against Obama was mostly true
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I think it was entirely true. I don't remember exactly all she said. IIRC she just pointed out that he supported the notion of Obama having primary competition for the 2012 election, which he did do.
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Not really. There were a couple of points that they called her out on, but for the most part, it was a general consensus that they felt Hillary won the debate. They seemed a lot critical of Bernie than usual and felt he missed the beat in calling Hillary out on several topics like the Iraq War vote, drawing a distinction between his vote vs. hers and how it aligns with was President Obama did in '08. Also they wanted him to be more transparent with his gun control support, feeling that he didn't own his previous vote against it. They true comparisons of owning it and apologizing for it like Hillary did for her vote to support the Iraq War initially.
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Oh. I tuned it and only heard bad things about her. I see, thanks for this
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Originally posted by Bloo
I think it was entirely true. I don't remember exactly all she said. IIRC she just pointed out that he supported the notion of Obama having primary competition for the 2012 election, which he did do.
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She said he called him weak or something but he didn't use those exact words, he only implied it. So the rating was given as "mostly true" but mostly true is still true imo
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Originally posted by RatedG²
She said he called him weak or something but he didn't use those exact words, he only implied it. So the rating was given as "mostly true" but mostly true is still true imo
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Okay, then mostly true is appropriate. His exact words were about how Obama was able to move so far to the right because he's had no left-leaning competition for the 2012 primary.
http://thinkprogress.org/special/201...primary-obama/
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Originally posted by Bloo
I think it was entirely true. I don't remember exactly all she said. IIRC she just pointed out that he supported the notion of Obama having primary competition for the 2012 election, which he did do.
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He subtly tried to push the agenda of getting President Obama an opposition in the primaries. Someone who will push him back more to the left because he felt he drifted too right on critical matters that he wanted to address.
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SANDERS: Brian, believe me, I wish I had the answer to your question. Let me just suggest this. I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president; who believe that, with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues, he said one thing as a candidate and is doing something very much else as a president; who cannot believe how weak he has been, for whatever reason, in negotiating with Republicans and there’s deep disappointment. So my suggestion is, I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing. […] So I would say to Ryan [sic] discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.
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Source: http://thinkprogress.org/special/201...primary-obama/
He has been plenty critical of the President as an Independent, like this for an example:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ment_cuts.html
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Originally posted by foxaylove
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Oh I know what he said. I was one of the ones to post that link, I was just unsure of what Hillary said in the debate referencing that.
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I'm watching right now and honestly I like O'Malley the most  Sad he won't get anything
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Originally posted by phreshprince
I'm watching right now and honestly I like O'Malley the most Sad he won't get anything |
A matter of too little too late and poor grass roots campaign support.
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Bernie was right to criticize Obama for being too right wing. When there is no left all you have is right.
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Just finished my registration to vote in my primary! 
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Originally posted by Citrus
Just finished my registration to vote in my primary! |
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They're saying Bernie won the debate. It's surreal. 
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They're saying Bernie won the debate. It's surreal. |
because he did king
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Originally posted by MAKSIM
The Democratic Party lost tonight. We spent far too long on issues that are not important to all voters
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Yes because talking about polling numbers, Bill Clinton and Ted Cruz's birth were more important issues in the debate the other night. No talk about education, big banks, fossil fuels, civil rights from the republican debate. The dem debate was a little weaker this time around but they've covered a lot of ground.
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What's more crazy to me is that people thought those moderators were good
Yikes
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My whole view point is that Hilary will get the nomination solely on her name alone.
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Originally posted by MDJD11
My whole view point is that Hilary will get the nomination solely on her name alone.
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Then I guess your whole view point is incorrect.
Sad.
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Slate: Hillary Clinton Won Sunday Night’s Debate
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With a strong defense of President Obama, she got the better of Bernie Sanders.
Clinton had several strong moments Sunday night. “Ninety people a day die from gun violence in this country,” she noted, before going on to attack Sanders’ record on the Second Amendment, methodically reciting a series of his Congressional votes. For some reason Sanders still struggles when pressed on his gun rights votes; he called Clinton “disingenuous” and said that guns “should not be a political issue.” Sanders has run an impressive race and is challenging Clinton in both Iowa and New Hampshire, but Clinton’s ability to bring him to earth and seem like just another politician—his weird, Trump-like quoting of polls tonight didn’t help—is remarkable. (The moderators helped her tonight by making it appear as if Sanders had changed or updated a number of his positions.)
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Clinton’s answers on race and the heroin epidemic—about the former she used the phrase “systemic racism,” and also spoke passionately about the latter—were equally impressive. Even on the issue of banking and regulatory reform, Clinton got the best of the exchange by turning it into a debate on President Obama. Her attack on Sanders for voting for Bill Clinton’s bill on derivatives, meanwhile, was pretty shameless; Sanders, predictably, didn’t mention it was a Clinton bill and didn’t really respond to her attack. This should be an issue where Sanders dominates the debate, and his trouble doing so was indicative of his larger struggles this evening. (As for Martin O’Malley, he probably had his best debate—such as it was—although he also had the most absurd moment of the night when he claimed he was running because “black lives matter.”)
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...harleston.html
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Slant: Hillary Clinton Won Sunday Night’s Debate
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nn I see you Retro
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