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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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He didn't hit Hillary hard on absolutely any issue, cosigned her on several, failed to strongly refute her arguments with healthcare or the economy, and failed in general to impress me.
Maybe that's just me, maybe that's my bias speaking, but I didn't see as much from him as even the last few debates. No bad moments for Hillary, no standout moments on his part, and that makes it all the more difficult to call it a win for Sanders.
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Member Since: 6/15/2010
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
Martin didn't get as nearly as enough time to make some sort of impact.
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This is the first time I watch the debate and he doesnt get half the time the others do. Why?
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That sound byte about Bernie saying he's going to raise taxes on the middle class is already taking off. Damaging stuff.
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Originally posted by Meowster
That sound byte about Bernie saying he's going to raise taxes on the middle class is already taking off. Damaging stuff.
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I knew this would be bad for him.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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They're dragging Clinton on CNN
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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Clinton had a good debate for South Carolina (tying herself consistently to Barack), she had a ok debate for Iowa (same with Bernie), and she did nothing to dig into Bernie's lead in New Hampshire
Are you guys happy now that we settled that?
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Meowster
That sound byte about Bernie saying he's going to raise taxes on the middle class is already taking off. Damaging stuff.
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Hmm, odd. He's said it before, guess it's just because it's the first time he's openly confirmed it in a debate.
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Bernie is just way too one-note and singular-focused. Being president is about so much more than just wanting to reform campaign finance. I don't even know how he could achieve that as president. He has no knowledge on foreign policy and terrorism, and that will be crucial in the general election, as Republicans are very good at fear-mongering. Democrats would be so foolish to make him the nominee.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Bloo
Hmm, odd. He's said it before, guess it's just because it's the first time he's openly confirmed it in a debate.
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It's because he directly said he was going to, which he hadn't in the past. For some reason, probably much due to our country's beginnings, people are just outright afraid of taxes. It's something I'll never understand.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by YoYo
This is the first time I watch the debate and he doesnt get half the time the others do. Why?
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He was on more even ground/time before but obviously it's because he's polling so low.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Bloo
Hmm, odd. He's said it before, guess it's just because it's the first time he's openly confirmed it in a debate.
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It's because this was something that changed recently and he previously said he wasn't going to raise middle class taxes so it makes it seem like he was lying.
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Originally posted by Espresso
Who had the better debate between Bernie and Hillary? I honestly can't say - they each had their strong and weak points tonight. All I can place bets on is that Martin drops out of the race by February 1st.
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Originally posted by foxaylove
EVERYONE brought it in this debate. Bernie stepped it up, Hillary produced her usual debate performance, but the what shocked me the most was Martin O'Malley's performance. WHERE THE HECK WAS THIS GUY in the previous debates? He came in a completely different person this time around and I actually feel he did the best, even with provided such little airtime. He nailed Hillary with Big Banks in a way that Bernie couldn't and had her a bit flustered. ANYONE who can fluster Hillary should give themselves a pat on the back.
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I was surprised by O'Malley, I notice some improvement with him as well. He's very strong, hasn't given up. I agree with Hillary bringing her usual, I fell asleep on her & Bernie at moments. Neither of them really elaborated on their plans, very minimal. Then again the moderators were constantly cutting them all off. Overall they all had a few highlights, well more so Bernie & O'Malley IMO compared to previous debates. Yes Hillary is a great debater to those Hillary stans strongly biased towards Bernie, however the GP aren't going based solely off who brought the best performance. It's more so to do with honesty, the level of passion on every objective, a consistent and solid background etc.. Which is why Bernie is stronger despite her being the front runner.
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Originally posted by @michael
Bernie is just way too one-note and singular-focused. Being president is about so much more than just wanting to reform campaign finance. I don't even know how he could achieve that as president. He has no knowledge on foreign policy and terrorism, and that will be crucial in the general election, as Republicans are very good at fear-mongering. Democrats would be so foolish to make him the nominee.
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I don't think it'll happen because of that. I have a lot of respect for Bernie. But he advertises himself as something he is not and cannot be—a faultless, revolutionary everyday person to change America. He's a politician. He has agendas. He will do what it takes to see his ideas through. He is no different in that regard. Him running as a Democrat when he's been a registered Independent until 2 months ago is proof of that. In a nutshell, I just believe Bernie would be a terrible president. Not because I don't think he's a good person or whatever. But only because he is so focused on a few issues and is not well-rounded enough or seemingly aware of the president's power and limitations and responsibilities to actually pull the job off well.
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Originally posted by Meowster
It happened quite a bit. He even did it with his speech at the end when they asked him about anything he didn't get to talk about. 
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True.
But I think he stood firm in the second half of the debate (Even if it was cosigning Hillary) and definitely tried to argue his point for healthcare.
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Originally posted by J P O W
It's because this was something that changed recently and he previously said he wasn't going to raise middle class taxes so it makes it seem like he was lying.
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Blasphemous! Bernie has never changed his mind on issues.
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
True.
But I think he stood firm in the second half of the debate (Even if it was cosigning Hillary) and definitely tried to argue his point for healthcare.
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I definitely think he tried to argue his point for healthcare, I just think he was confused as to what Hillary meant, honestly. Hillary said that his plan would start the entire legislative process over, citing how difficult it was just to get Obamacare, let alone a new single-payer policy. Bernie was focused more so on who was covered and didn't see how Hillary said it wasn't expanding upon Obamacare (in a legislative way). Maybe if they weren't rushed to move on, we could have gotten a better answer for that issue.
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So what Clinton said about Sanders being against Obama was mostly true
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Originally posted by RatedG²
They're dragging Clinton on CNN
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Not really. There were a couple of points that they called her out on, but for the most part, it was a general consensus that they felt Hillary won the debate. They seemed a lot critical of Bernie than usual and felt he missed the beat in calling Hillary out on several topics like the Iraq War vote, drawing a distinction between his vote vs. hers and how it aligns with was President Obama did in '08. Also they wanted him to be more transparent with his gun control support, feeling that he didn't own his previous vote against it. They true comparisons of owning it and apologizing for it like Hillary did for her vote to support the Iraq War initially.
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Originally posted by @michael
Bernie is just way too one-note and singular-focused. Being president is about so much more than just wanting to reform campaign finance. I don't even know how he could achieve that as president. He has no knowledge on foreign policy and terrorism, and that will be crucial in the general election, as Republicans are very good at fear-mongering. Democrats would be so foolish to make him the nominee.
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His FP isn't as strong as Hillary, however your dead wrong of him having zero knowledge. He still posses more knowledge than any of the republican candidates.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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CNN dragging Sanders now  . They ripped his foreign policy and keep saying he is always turning everything about big banks
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