Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season - Page 395

RatedG²

Daily News has become unhinged this election cycle

So who won the debate according to the media?

Skywalker

Everywhere I am reading says that this was Trump's best debate yet. That comment where he slammed slimeball Ted Cruz for his comments on NY was probably the most sincere and genuine Trump has ever looked before.

heckinglovato

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Originally posted by LuLuDrops

OMGGGGGGG

RatedG²

Bernie Sanders will win the democratic nomination and presidency in a landslide

H.A. Goodman though

Team_Avatar

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Originally posted by RatedG²

Bernie Sanders will win the democratic nomination and presidency in a landslide

H.A. Goodman though

Yeah, this is where we cross from opinion to delusion.

I love Bernie but landslide? Not a chance in hell. The GOP cannot afford to lose the presidency again. You better believe that they'll be throwing everything behind their nominee to win.

LuLuDrops

AAAAND...here it is. The lawsuit challenging Cruz's right to run for President:

Republican presidential contender Ted Cruz should be disqualified from the race because he isn’t a “natural-born citizen,” a fellow Texan claims in a “birther” challenge filed against the senator in a U.S. court.

The suit seeks a court definition of the term to clarify whether Cruz -- who was born in Canada to an American mother -- can or can’t serve if elected.

“This 229-year question has never been pled, presented to or finally decided by or resolved by the U.S. Supreme Court,” Houston attorney Newton B. Schwartz Sr. said in his 28-page complaint. “Only the U.S. Supreme Court can finally decide, determine judicially and settle this issue now.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...n-birther-suit

that G.U.Y.

Bye, Ted.

LuLuDrops

Hello Trump GOP Pick

Only Rubio can stop him now I think and even then Marco has to work.

St. Charles

Poor Ted.

Musicjunky318

It will be Clinton vs Rubio.

Adonis

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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

Also the Obamacare individual mandate is unpopular b/c it forces the young to pay for the elderly by buying insurance they don't need. Which sounds good on paper, except for the fact the elderly have more money than the youth, so you're basically taking money from the poorer population to subsidize the costs for the richer.

Young people do need insurance to get check ups and make sure they can get meds when they get sick. Everyone gets sick even young people. So people need to stop with this non-sense about young people paying for old people when old people were paying for them first. Secondly, they get sick like everyone else. Who do you think is paying for those Prep drugs or that HPV drug or the condoms or the various vaccinations the young people need and get?....

Beatfreak

I can't wait until next year when this whole sh*tstorm is over.

Adonis

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Originally posted by LuLuDrops

MDJD11

It's almost a guarantee that Hilary will get the democratic nomination and win the election. People can say what they want but Bernie won't get the nomination (sadly I must admit) but she will win by a landslide. No way in hell will the majority of voters vote for Donald Trump.

Mike91

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Originally posted by Team_Avatar

Yeah, this is where we cross from opinion to delusion.

I love Bernie but landslide? Not a chance in hell. The GOP cannot afford to lose the presidency again. You better believe that they'll be throwing everything behind their nominee to win.

Bernie's views aren't just views that liberals believe in. They'll use the socialist thing against him but I don't see it doing much in the long run. They'll run fear campaigns but for the most part, Bernie is echoing views that both liberals and conservatives are echoing. He's got the same type of passion Trump has (that his supporters could get behind if he doesn't win the nomination) just without the offensive or extreme commentary.

Plus Bernie is technically independent and has a lot of respect from republicans in the Senate, etc.

The only people being delusional are those still doubting Bernie.

Team_Avatar

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Originally posted by Mike91

Bernie's views aren't just views that liberals believe in. They'll use the socialist thing against him but I don't see it doing much in the long run. They'll run fear campaigns but for the most part, Bernie is echoing views that both liberals and conservatives are echoing. He's got the same type of passion Trump has (that his supporters could get behind if he doesn't win the nomination) just without the offensive or extreme commentary.

Plus Bernie is technically independent and has a lot of respect from republicans in the Senate, etc.

The only people being delusional are those still doubting Bernie.

You underestimate the general idiocy of the American electorate.

I do agree that Bernie's policies can resonate with a large group of people though. Again, I'm a Bernie supporter, I just think that a landslide is an unnecessary, unrealistic hyperbole.

The GOP is at a crossroads. They're sliding towards irrelevance amongst the younger generation. At contrary to what people think, people don't automatically become more conservative as they get older. There have been studies down on this that debunk this myth.

BlueTimberwolf

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Originally posted by Adonis

Young people do need insurance to get check ups and make sure they can get meds when they get sick. Everyone gets sick even young people. So people need to stop with this non-sense about young people paying for old people when old people were paying for them first. Secondly, they get sick like everyone else. Who do you think is paying for those Prep drugs or that HPV drug or the condoms or the various vaccinations the young people need and get?....

There's a difference between needing something, and being forced to buy something you can't afford. Proportionally they don't need it.

that G.U.Y.

Have any of you actually used the healthcare.gov website? Its a mess but i got insurance for $45 a month. The repunlicans want to take THAT from me? No ma'am

Team_Avatar

Well known left wing blogger Robert Reich's perspective on some common Bernie weaknesses:

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Robert Reich
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Six Responses to Bernie Skeptics:
1. “He’d never beat Trump or Cruz in a general election.”
Wrong. According to the latest polls, Bernie is the strongest Democratic candidate in the general election, defeating both Donald Trump and Ted Cruz in hypothetical matchups. (The latest Real Clear Politics averages of all polls shows Bernie beating Trump by a larger margin than Hillary beats Trump, and Bernie beating Cruz while Hillary loses to Cruz.)
2. “He couldn’t get any of his ideas implemented because Congress would reject them.”
If both house of Congress remain in Republican hands, no Democrat will be able to get much legislation through Congress, and will have to rely instead on executive orders and regulations. But there’s a higher likelihood of kicking Republicans out if Bernie’s “political revolution” continues to surge around America, bringing with it millions of young people and other voters, and keeping them politically engaged.
3. “America would never elect a socialist.”
P-l-e-a-s-e. America’s most successful and beloved government programs are social insurance – Social Security and Medicare. A highway is a shared social expenditure, as is the military and public parks and schools. The problem is we now have excessive socialism for the rich (bailouts of Wall Street, subsidies for Big Ag and Big Pharma, monopolization by cable companies and giant health insurers, giant tax-deductible CEO pay packages) – all of which Bernie wants to end or prevent.
4. “His single-payer healthcare proposal would cost so much it would require raising taxes on the middle class.”
This is a duplicitous argument. Single-payer systems in other rich nations have proven cheaper than private for-profit health insurers because they don’t spend huge sums on advertising, marketing, executive pay, and billing. So even if the Sanders single-payer plan did require some higher taxes, Americans would come out way ahead because they’d save far more than that on health insurance.
5. “His plan for paying for college with a tax on Wall Street trades would mean colleges would run by government rules.”
Baloney. Three-quarters of college students today already attend public universities financed largely by state governments, and they’re not run by government rules. The real problem is too many young people still can’t afford a college education. The move toward free public higher education that began in the 1950s with the G.I. Bill and extended into the 1960s came to an abrupt stop in the 1980s. We must restart it.
6. “He’s too old.”
Untrue. He’s in great health. Have you seen how agile and forceful he is as he campaigns around the country? These days, 70s are the new 60s. (He’s younger than four of the nine Supreme Court justices.) In any event, the issue isn't age; it's having the right values. FDR was paralyzed and JFK had Crohn's disease, but they were great presidents because they stood forcefully for the right things.
What do you think?

St. Charles

^Responding to that:

1. That's kind of irrelevant/misleading as the presidential debates haven't started yet. Could Bernie win against Trump or Cruz in a debate? I'm not sure, but it doesn't seem likely. Let's not forget that Carson was coming out ahead of others just a few months ago, and now that ship has swiftly sailed.

2. Let's see how long the political revolution lasts first. In fact, let's see how many people even show up to vote both at the primaries and the general electoin. Let's see if Millenials are really able to put the "walk" in their talk. They are such trend-riders and Bernie is depending on them for his success. If they don't come through, then he won't be able to do anything. Hillary, on the other hand, doesn't alienate middle-of-the-road voters (which is supposedly 33% of total voters) with her policies.

3. A lot of the social programs we have today were implemented back when democrats had control of both the presidency and congress, right? So this is invalid because it can't be applied to today. If anything, it brings us back to problem #2. Also, most beloved?

Maybe because the programs benefit older folks, which have a large turnout in the general elections. So maybe that's why they are seemingly popular. A lot of people complain about having to pay for it.

4. I'm not sure if that argument is true, because even if Bernie's healthcare plan does end up paying off, who's to say that any of his other costly programs wouldn't end up causing citizens to pay more? It's all speculation, as we can't actually predict whether his policies (the ones he manages to implement) will pull through, so I guess this one's a stalemate.

5. I've never heard that argument before.

6. I agree. He's not too old. Reagan was old. He was older than Bernie during his second term and Republicans loved him.