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RatedG²

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Originally posted by TikiMiss

I hope you disqualify Joe Biden and John Kerry too.

Idontcareaboutyou

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Originally posted by TikiMiss

I hope you disqualify Joe Biden and John Kerry too.

Of course. If I was American I would vote against anyone who voted for the Iraq War.

Trump may be doing stupid declarations but Hilary approved a war that killed at least 500k people, many of them Muslims.

Mr. Grey

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Originally posted by Stoner

#Hillary2016 #ImWithHer the most qualified and experienced candidate!

Why are trolling

TikiMiss

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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou

Of course. If I was American I would vote against anyone who voted for the Iraq War.

Trump may be doing stupid declarations but Hilary approved a war that killed at least 500k people, many of them Muslims.

The only people you'd have left would be Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich and a couple other kooks.

Obama only didn't vote for Iraq because he wasn't in the Senate. In the Senate, he voted time and again to fund the Iraq war.

What does it say about Obama and his anti-Iraq war thing that his secretaries of state both voted for the war? As did his secretaries of defense?

Rumbler

Do they have a 'none of the above candidates' option on the ballot card?

Idontcareaboutyou

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Originally posted by TikiMiss

The only people you'd have left would be Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich and a couple other kooks.

Obama only didn't vote for Iraq because he wasn't in the Senate. In the Senate, he voted time and again to fund the Iraq war.

What does it say about Obama and his anti-Iraq war thing that his secretaries of state both voted for the war? As did his secretaries of defense?

http://www.tnj.com/archives/2004/sep...final_word.php

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I don’t oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by [former Pentagon policy adviser] Richard Perle and [Deputy Defense Secretary] Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne. What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like [chief Bush political adviser] Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

October 26, 2002

It says that so many Democrats were dumb enough to vote for it that he couldn't find many people who had voted against it to form his government. But secretaries of state and secretaries of defense is one thing, president is another.

TikiMiss

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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou

http://www.tnj.com/archives/2004/sep...final_word.php

October 26, 2002

That doesn't answer my questions.
Obama picked two pro-Iraq war secretaries of state and 3 (or 4) pro-Iraq war Secretaries of Defense.
He voted for funding the Iraq war every single time while in the Senate.
He took his anti-Iraq War speech off his website a year after he made it.

Skywalker

I'd never vote for Trump but I still

at the fact that he was for gay marriage before both Hillary and Bernie all the way to the early 90s, when Hils and Bern didn't change their mind until the late 2000s.

RatedG²

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Originally posted by Meowster

I'd never vote for Trump but I still

at the fact that he was for gay marriage before both Hillary and Bernie all the way to the early 90s, when Hils and Bern didn't change their mind until the late 2000s.

A few of my Bernie friends said Bernie was always pro-gay marriage. That's one area I will always put him above Hill for

I'ma need heckinglovato to confirm this

Skywalker

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Originally posted by RatedG²

A few of my Bernie friends said Bernie was always pro-gay marriage. That's one area I will always put him above Hill for

I'ma need heckinglovato to confirm this

He voted against gay marriage in his state in 2006.

RatedG²

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Originally posted by Meowster

He voted against gay marriage in his state in 2006.

omg did he really?

Well Clinton was wishy washy (and Obama) with it until like 2012-13 so they all get a pass

Adonis

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Originally posted by TikiMiss

The only people you'd have left would be Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich and a couple other kooks.

Obama only didn't vote for Iraq because he wasn't in the Senate. In the Senate, he voted time and again to fund the Iraq war.

What does it say about Obama and his anti-Iraq war thing that his secretaries of state both voted for the war? As did his secretaries of defense?

Should Obama not have voted to fund the troops who we sent over there to complete a mission? Bernie and Dennis aren't kooks. They had the foresight to see what going into an elective war was not going to turn out well. They are often right and ignored. People get to the right opinion late then claim those who had the right opinion in the first place were kooks. I think those people need to look into the mirror to find the kook.

Skywalker

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Originally posted by RatedG²

omg did he really?

Well Clinton was wishy washy (and Obama) with it until like 2012-13 so they all get a pass

Like Hillary, they were both for civil unions throughout that weird time when the Republicans were trying to ban everything gay. I don't even think Obama was for gay marriage until Biden finally convinced him.

foxaylove

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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou

I'm a democrat and if I could I would vote for Trump against Hilary since she's basically a Republican with a 'Democrat' label anyway.

You're clearly joking right? How does someone who champion equal pay, LGBTQ equality, gun control, affordable healthcare, pro choice and avid supporter of Planned Parenthood make her a Republican? Those are key issues that decipher the Democratic vs. Republican base. If anything, she is between moderate and liberal.

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Originally posted by Meowster

Like Hillary, they were both for civil unions throughout that weird time when the Republicans were trying to ban everything gay. I don't even think Obama was for gay marriage until Biden finally convinced him.

He wasn't. It took till late in his first term/early 2nd term to finally come to the stance where he sided with gay marriage.

Adonis

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Originally posted by RatedG²

A few of my Bernie friends said Bernie was always pro-gay marriage. That's one area I will always put him above Hill for

I'ma need heckinglovato to confirm this

Bernie has been pro gay marriage since the mid 1990's.

Idontcareaboutyou

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Originally posted by foxaylove

You're clearly joking right? How does someone who champion equal pay, LGBTQ equality, gun control, affordable healthcare, pro choice and avid supporter of Planned Parenthood make her a Republican? Those are key issues that decipher the Democratic vs. Republican base. If anything, she is between moderate and liberal.

He wasn't. It took till late in his first term/early 2nd term to finally come to the stance where he sided with gay marriage.

As a voter I only care about the economy and foreign policy and that's what positions people on the political spectrum. And Trump isn't far-right when it comes to the economy.

TikiMiss

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Originally posted by Adonis

Bernie has been pro gay marriage since the mid 1990's.

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But his record on gay marriage is more complicated than he now makes it sound. While Sanders generally opposed measures to ban gay marriage, he did not speak out in favor of it until 2009.

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In 2006, when the Bush White House proposed an amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between a man and a woman, Sanders spoke out against the Republican plan, saying it was “designed to divide the American people.” But when Sanders was asked by a reporter whether Vermont should legalize same-sex marriage, he said no. “Not right now, not after what we went through,” he said.

source

So outspoken!!111111!111

heckinglovato

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Originally posted by RatedG²

A few of my Bernie friends said Bernie was always pro-gay marriage. That's one area I will always put him above Hill for

I'ma need heckinglovato to confirm this

Hello

And yes Bernie has been supportive of gay marriage and gay rights way too early on, and obviously way before Trump was. (I don't think Trump's ever been pro marriage equality actually

)