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Discussion: Transgender Educating Thread
Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Gastrodonatella
Pics or it didn't happen hunty, since you're so insistent on making us cite sources for you when you've yet to pull any for your own claims
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Please contain your thirst. Now is not the time.
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Originally posted by Corsola
You have gotten a clear answer. A chemical that disrupts your hormones in the womb can change your gender identity. Are you trying to tell me we are still in the womb? Are you trying to say that fetal development is compared to inserting hormones into your already developed body? Well to that I would say you look like an absolute fool with no concept on biology who has no place in a discussion OF biology.
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I'm sorry. May I have a source? Because there is nothing in the OP to support these claims.
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Originally posted by Corsola
Not only this, but there are also chemicals that can affect humans and animals alike which turn them into the opposite gender.
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Your 1st source doesn't even maintain your hypothesis, in fact it is entirely off topic and makes no mention on gender dysphoria. The article is actually about chemicals that may affect the the reproductive systems of fish. It's not even the right animal hun. Are you ok? This is literally the opening statement:
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New research proves that 'gender-bending' chemicals, which leach from human products into rivers and oceans, can have a significant impact on the ability of fish to breed. The study has important implications for understanding the impacts of these chemicals.
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Oh and it gets better. Your second source links back to Alex Jones video. A renown conspiracy theorist internet troll who also claims that Sandy Hook was hoax with actors paid by the CIA.
You literally haven't a leg to stand on sis. I think it's time we wrapped things up and call it day, huh?
You can always try again next year.
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Glad you posted this
I've since some ignorant stuff posted here
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Originally posted by Javan
Please contain your thirst. Now is not the time.
I'm sorry. May I have a source? Because there is nothing in the OP to support these claims.
Your 1st source doesn't even maintain your hypothesis, in fact it is entirely off topic and makes no mention on gender dysphoria. The article is actually about chemicals that may affect the the reproductive systems of fish. It's not even the right animal hun. Are you ok? This is literally the opening statement:
Oh and it gets better. Your second source links back to Alex Jones video. A renown conspiracy theorist internet troll who also claims that Sandy Hook was hoax with actors paid by the CIA.
You literally haven't a leg to stand on sis. I think it's time we wrapped things up and call it day, huh?
You can always try again next year.
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My point in including that one was to prove that it's not only humans affected by it. However, if you ask for more sources, here you go! When I was looking for them I googled specifically how BPA is related to gender dysphoria, but as it turns out, just googling how BPA is bad provides you with so many sources on how the chemical affects hormones! Or even how it affects the brain, specifically during fetal development. It's funny how science always wins.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/221205.php
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-li...a/faq-20058331
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...risks-bpa.aspx
http://www.ehhi.org/reports/plastics..._effects.shtml
It's funny that you took time to go through my sources and link who it goes back to just so you could reach and pretend that you're right for once in your life. Meanwhile, you literally could've just googled ''why is bpa bad'' and saw at least 4 results telling you how much of a ****ing dumbass you are for trying to deny it on the FIRST page. Are YOU ok? I'm gonna stop replying after this because I'm done satisfying your stupid ass troll act but it is sad because I respected you in many threads before today. Turns out you truly are an insufferable human being who cares less about transgender people than you do trolling and nitpicking as much as you possibly can since you have nothing else to do in your life. You can't even win at gaining brownie points on being a bigoted piece of ****. It's disgusting that on such a liberal forum there are people like you who think they're cute and probably laughing at themselves and entertaining themselves with their troll act.
And by the way, I can't prove this so I don't expect you to believe it but I don't even give a ****. Considering I was a fetus when my mom was heavily exposed to a highly unsafe level of BPA and I turned out to be trans, that's part of our case that a lawyer who has won millions from court cases from big companies thought would be a good idea to take on. I'll be enjoying my (potential) heavy amount of money and laughing at your ass trying it in a thread where science is literally against you. Uglee ass.
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Member Since: 9/2/2012
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Originally posted by Corsola
My point in including that one was to prove that it's not only humans affected by it. However, if you ask for more sources, here you go! When I was looking for them I googled specifically how BPA is related to gender dysphoria, but as it turns out, just googling how BPA is bad provides you with so many sources on how the chemical affects hormones! Or even how it affects the brain, specifically during fetal development. It's funny how science always wins.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/221205.php
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-li...a/faq-20058331
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...risks-bpa.aspx
http://www.ehhi.org/reports/plastics..._effects.shtml
It's funny that you took time to go through my sources and link who it goes back to just so you could reach and pretend that you're right for once in your life. Meanwhile, you literally could've just googled ''why is bpa bad'' and saw at least 4 results telling you how much of a ****ing dumbass you are for trying to deny it on the FIRST page. Are YOU ok? I'm gonna stop replying after this because I'm done satisfying your stupid ass troll act but it is sad because I respected you in many threads before today. Turns out you truly are an insufferable human being who cares less about transgender people than you do trolling and nitpicking as much as you possibly can since you have nothing else to do in your life. You can't even win at gaining brownie points on being a bigoted piece of ****. It's disgusting that on such a liberal forum there are people like you who think they're cute and probably laughing at themselves and entertaining themselves with their troll act.
And by the way, I can't prove this so I don't expect you to believe it but I don't even give a ****. Considering I was a fetus when my mom was heavily exposed to a highly unsafe level of BPA and I turned out to be trans, that's part of our case that a lawyer who has won millions from court cases from big companies thought would be a good idea to take on. I'll be enjoying my (potential) heavy amount of money and laughing at your ass trying it in a thread where science is literally against you. Uglee ass.
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Oh my god
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Originally posted by Corsola
My point in including that one was to prove that it's not only humans affected by it. However, if you ask for more sources, here you go! When I was looking for them I googled specifically how BPA is related to gender dysphoria, but as it turns out, just googling how BPA is bad provides you with so many sources on how the chemical affects hormones! Or even how it affects the brain, specifically during fetal development. It's funny how science always wins.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/221205.php
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-li...a/faq-20058331
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...risks-bpa.aspx
http://www.ehhi.org/reports/plastics..._effects.shtml
It's funny that you took time to go through my sources and link who it goes back to just so you could reach and pretend that you're right for once in your life. Meanwhile, you literally could've just googled ''why is bpa bad'' and saw at least 4 results telling you how much of a ****ing dumbass you are for trying to deny it on the FIRST page. Are YOU ok? I'm gonna stop replying after this because I'm done satisfying your stupid ass troll act but it is sad because I respected you in many threads before today. Turns out you truly are an insufferable human being who cares less about transgender people than you do trolling and nitpicking as much as you possibly can since you have nothing else to do in your life. You can't even win at gaining brownie points on being a bigoted piece of ****. It's disgusting that on such a liberal forum there are people like you who think they're cute and probably laughing at themselves and entertaining themselves with their troll act.
And by the way, I can't prove this so I don't expect you to believe it but I don't even give a ****. Considering I was a fetus when my mom was heavily exposed to a highly unsafe level of BPA and I turned out to be trans, that's part of our case that a lawyer who has won millions from court cases from big companies thought would be a good idea to take on. I'll be enjoying my (potential) heavy amount of money and laughing at your ass trying it in a thread where science is literally against you. Uglee ass.
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
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Originally posted by Corsola
My point in including that one was to prove that it's not only humans affected by it. However, if you ask for more sources, here you go! When I was looking for them I googled specifically how BPA is related to gender dysphoria, but as it turns out, just googling how BPA is bad provides you with so many sources on how the chemical affects hormones! Or even how it affects the brain, specifically during fetal development. It's funny how science always wins.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/221205.php
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-li...a/faq-20058331
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...risks-bpa.aspx
http://www.ehhi.org/reports/plastics..._effects.shtml
It's funny that you took time to go through my sources and link who it goes back to just so you could reach and pretend that you're right for once in your life. Meanwhile, you literally could've just googled ''why is bpa bad'' and saw at least 4 results telling you how much of a ****ing dumbass you are for trying to deny it on the FIRST page. Are YOU ok? I'm gonna stop replying after this because I'm done satisfying your stupid ass troll act but it is sad because I respected you in many threads before today. Turns out you truly are an insufferable human being who cares less about transgender people than you do trolling and nitpicking as much as you possibly can since you have nothing else to do in your life. You can't even win at gaining brownie points on being a bigoted piece of ****. It's disgusting that on such a liberal forum there are people like you who think they're cute and probably laughing at themselves and entertaining themselves with their troll act.
And by the way, I can't prove this so I don't expect you to believe it but I don't even give a ****. Considering I was a fetus when my mom was heavily exposed to a highly unsafe level of BPA and I turned out to be trans, that's part of our case that a lawyer who has won millions from court cases from big companies thought would be a good idea to take on. I'll be enjoying my (potential) heavy amount of money and laughing at your ass trying it in a thread where science is literally against you. Uglee ass.
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All this dragging and it was the last 2 WORDS that made me lose my ****
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Corsola
It's funny that you took time to go through my sources and link who it goes back to just so you could reach and pretend that you're right for once in your life. Meanwhile, you literally could've just googled ''why is bpa bad'' and saw at least 4 results telling you how much of a ****ing dumbass you are for trying to deny it on the FIRST page. Are YOU ok? I'm gonna stop replying after this because I'm done satisfying your stupid ass troll act but it is sad because I respected you in many threads before today. Turns out you truly are an insufferable human being who cares less about transgender people than you do trolling and nitpicking as much as you possibly can since you have nothing else to do in your life. You can't even win at gaining brownie points on being a bigoted piece of ****. It's disgusting that on such a liberal forum there are people like you who think they're cute and probably laughing at themselves and entertaining themselves with their troll act.
And by the way, I can't prove this so I don't expect you to believe it but I don't even give a ****. Considering I was a fetus when my mom was heavily exposed to a highly unsafe level of BPA and I turned out to be trans, that's part of our case that a lawyer who has won millions from court cases from big companies thought would be a good idea to take on. I'll be enjoying my (potential) heavy amount of money and laughing at your ass trying it in a thread where science is literally against you. Uglee ass.
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Death @ you defining "trolling" as fact checking you on your lying ass. You start a thread about trangendered people and then post links to articles about fish anatomy. If anyone's the troll, it's you, henny. You don't expect people to call you out on your BS? Well sorry, I did and I'll do it again. You are the OP and will be held to account on your (false and unsupported) assertions. Seethe.
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Originally posted by Corsola
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Source 1:
No mention of gender dysphoria or anything of that nature. It notes a correlation between BPA and testosterone in men. It describes the testosterone changes as "small" and in no way shape or form concludes or implies any kind of gender complication.
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No mention of gender dysphoria or anything of that nature.
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No mention of gender dysphoria. It vaguely claims that BPA can result in "changes in gender-specific behaviour, and abnormal sexual behaviour". But doesn't specify. This could be referring to anything ranging from erectile dysfunction to cross dressing. It doesn't prove or support any claim you have made.
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No mention of gender at all.
My, my. After being clocked twice, we'd think you'd actually read your sources before posting them but I guess not. Calling me a bigot does not negate from the fact that you are unfit to run this thread. Whether you like it or not, continue to spread misinformation, and I'll be right here gather you.
Understood?
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Javan
Death @ you defining "trolling" as fact checking you on your lying ass. You start a thread about trangendered people and then post links to articles about fish anatomy. If anyone's the troll, it's you, henny. You don't expect people to call you out on your BS? Well sorry, I did and I'll do it again. You are the OP and will be held to account on your (false and unsupported) assertions. Seethe.
Source 1:
No mention of gender dysphoria or anything of that nature. It notes a correlation between BPA and testosterone in men. It describes the testosterone changes as "small" and in no way shape or form concludes or implies any kind of gender complication.
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No mention of gender dysphoria or anything of that nature.
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No mention of gender dysphoria. It vaguely claims that BPA can result in "changes in gender-specific behaviour, and abnormal sexual behaviour". But doesn't specify. This could be referring to anything ranging from erectile dysfunction to cross dressing. It doesn't prove or support any claim you have made.
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No mention of gender at all.
My, my. After being clocked twice, we'd think you'd actually read your sources before posting them but I guess not. Calling me a bigot does not negate from the fact that you are unfit to run this thread. Whether you like it or not, continue to spread misinformation, and I'll be right here gather you.
Understood?
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To clock you have to be able to read 5 words, though... I didn't say they mentioned gender. I said they mentioned that it can affect hormones and the brain, and that fetuses are vulnerable to it. As for how it correlates to gender dysphoria, I don't even need to go on about that. You already embarrassed yourself by saying my first source only discusses fish (which is not true, you just didn't read all of it and it goes on to say that BPA can effect the body in that it won't allow testosterone to be activated or it will make the genitals of a baby boy look like a females while still being a ''gender bending chemical'') In combination with these two you will have the conclusion that it's a gender bending chemical and fetuses are vulnerable. Considering your only qualm with that source was that you didn't read it all, it's trustworthy even by your standards. Not even gonna lie though, the second source I had was stupid and I'm gonna remove it. Even if you were right on my sources you still wouldn't be disproving the main point so there's no real tea being spilled. Simply nitpicking which doesn't even make sense when you can't read an entire source or read what I'm saying properly.
In whatever case, although I can't prove it to you besides showing you pictures of me, I know that what I'm saying has to correlate because the hormone changes discussed in my sources that you noted yourself have affected me and I'm trans after being heavily exposed to it. It's not so much that I know it made me trans because I was exposed as much as it is I know it probably did because all of the side effects and health risks you can easily read about from it have affected my life drastically along with a few sources that say it has the ability to change genders. So yes, even though this is anecdotal it will make me mad when I know that something that has basically influenced and shaped my life (and I'm talking everything about BPA, not just the gender part) is being picked apart from the sources that I provided about it. Normally I would just say that you're right and remove it from the OP because it doesn't even ****ing matter if you are right as it still doesn't take away from my point in that post and it CERTAINLY doesn't make me unfit to make the thread.. The only reason why I'm insistent on defending it is due to personal reasons because I will fight to defend a source that makes complete sense to me in my life. I know that my life isn't what matters when it happens to me educational but considering I had sources I will try my best to defend them due to how I view them on a personal level. I mean, if every risk sources talk about with BPA have proven to have affected me even though I was only exposed in the womb, what would make me not believe that it could've made me trans as well from what some sources say? I know I can't prove it to you but I'm just telling you why I'm insistent on defending it. It DOES make me seethe a bit when somebody who I respected is picking apart something that I basically already know to be almost 100% factual due to my personal experience but I can't use my experience in a factual argument because it's anecdotal. I don't expect you to believe me but I do expect you to at least see why I insist on defending this. I could EASILY just remove it from the OP and be done with it but I choose to defend it because to me, in my life, it is near fact.
Don't even play dumb on how you're a troll. I'm not the first nor am I the second person to call or imply that you are in this thread so it's not my definition. You literally compared transage to transgender in an attempt to undermine transgender people. You know what you're doing and you know the only reason why you care about transgender people is to consistently find a way to discredit what it is. Frankly, it's offensive for you to imply that being transgender is ONLY a social construct. That would basically mean that every MtF is girly and vice versa.
With all the ''educating'' you're doing it's funny that you don't even realize transgendered isn't a word.
Despite what you think, though, I still respect you as a member (outside of trans related threads). I think you can be pretty cool and respectable which is part of the reason why I'm bothered right now. I just think that here you're trying to use every excuse you can to act like trans people are ludicrous. You can pass it off on ''clocking'' me on my sources but you do know what your intention was.
And you can respond to this but I'm done now so I won't respond back.
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Originally posted by Corsola
And you can respond to this but I'm done now so I won't respond back.
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Do you mind replying to my post on the last page then? I'm interested in your answer.
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Originally posted by Erik
What do you think about the idea, spread by SJWs and liberal/progressives, that claims a gendered world where items (like clothing and make up), hair styles, activities etc. is just a social construct and these items hold no meaning to gender, yet a lot of trans people subscribe to these to perpetuate the gender they feel they are? (I'm poor at describing things so I hope this makes sense)
I understand the world of a SJW/liberal/progressive is riddled with contradictions and a lot of groups have conflicts with others (such as the trans community and TERFs) so I was wondering where this sits?
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Sorry, didn't see this.
I really don't think it's entirely a social construct. I had a part dedicated to this in the OP. I do think the social aspect has a part in it but I think the biological part does too. It made sense to me, I get it. I've thought of it myself before. I think they do have a gender attached to them despite what people think or may not wanna think. There are trans people who definitely view those activities as suiting to them. Some people may disagree with me, though. It's tricky but no matter what I think it's ignorant to say that gender is a fully social construct.
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Originally posted by Corsola
Sorry, didn't see this.
I really don't think it's entirely a social construct. I had a part dedicated to this in the OP. I do think the social aspect has a part in it but I think the biological part does too. It made sense to me, I get it. I've thought of it myself before. I think they do have a gender attached to them despite what people think or may not wanna think. There are trans people who definitely view those activities as suiting to them.
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Cool, thanks for the reply. I essentially concur, especially with the bold part.
I guess this is one of the many things a lot of people can't agree on though so it's always interesting to know what people think, especially those part of the community.
(I read the OP and thought my question wasn't really answered there so I apologise for that.)
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Originally posted by Dylobs
I feel smarter after reading this.
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Same
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