News: Burqa and niqab banned in Switzerland's Ticino - Page 15

BreatheGaga

Most people here don't understand the history of Islam.

Veils etc. was always a part of their culture* long BEFORE Islam even became a major religion during the seventh century in the Arabian Peninsula (which today is Saudi Arabia). Islam eventually spread to Africa, The Middle East and Central Asia.

HOWEVER, it is only first now (1900/2000's's), most women started to wear some kind of veil to cover themselves, this is why many people argue that women don't wear this by choice, but rather force. Iran for example recently required all women to wear veils to cover themselves. (due to force!?!?!?!)

Many people also argue that veils is a form of expression, and that they feel naked without it because it's become a major part of their culture and religion; richer women used to wear veils to cover up because they could afford it, while most of the lower class didn't wear it at all, but recently that has changed. Does that mean veils were glorified??? maybe

People will always fight over this kind of ******** so why even discuss it when there's NEVER going to be a solution to this.

Su-Barbie-A

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Originally posted by EdwardB

Nothing disrespectful about it.It's for safety reasons.
If you keep your face covered you are not recognizable.That's not ok,sorry.

Then we should ban costumes from Disney parks and such, I don't trust anyone dressed as Mickey Mouse.

Su-Barbie-A

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Originally posted by cOe

How can you claim to be a feminist and support niqab and burqa? A reverse warholian experience.

How can you claim to be a feminist and tell women what to wear?

Idontcareaboutyou

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Originally posted by Su-Barbie-A

How can you claim to be a feminist and tell women what to wear?

We're not telling them what to wear. We're telling them what they're not allowed to wear.

Every freedom has its boundaries. Some western countries have decided that clothes denying women their identity and representing Islamic fundamentalism is their boundary and it's a reasonable one.

EdwardB

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Originally posted by Su-Barbie-A

Then we should ban costumes from Disney parks and such, I don't trust anyone dressed as Mickey Mouse.

Please do not ridicule the issue.They know who their Mouses are,they pay their employes to put those costumes on.It's not the same.

Haburo

the ignorance in this thread is shocking

Bathomet

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Originally posted by cOe

Burqas and niqabs are clothing items linked to a culture in which women are treated as sub-humans. In which females are basically men's marionettes who cannot even show their faces because women's bodies, even dressed modestly (like men, for instance) are viewed as a green light for rape. There's no place for these symbols of centuries-spanning injustice in the modern, European society. Poor women who want to "express themselves" by wearing the outfits their ancestors, who could have gotten killed for things like premarital sex, wore!

Xoxo waiting for the apologists to hurl mud at me

Euan

Great news.

Also, love Ticino as a region. Italian-speaking Switzerland >>>

vamp

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Originally posted by Su-Barbie-A

How can you claim to be a feminist and tell women what to wear?

The whole idea of feminism in not to demean ones self. Feminists these days want to show their breasts without being ridiculed and they have a right to.

vamp

Delete the burka from history, fat.

Glamorous

Of course the whites in this thread will play the saviour game, pretending to be devoted to the rights and protection of Muslim womyn while simultaneously slandering their religion and practices because it makes THEM uncomfortable.

The fact that you whites will nitpick over Islam's 'atrocities' in the past, failing to acknowledge that Islam pioneered modern science and mathematics - that, without Islam, the world would be a lot different - is beyond me. (Renaissance writers, philosophers and theologians stole from Islamic literature and theories.) You fail to understand that white Christians literally enslaved, raped, exploited and stole from people around the world for hundreds of years - A LOT longer and more viciously than those damned Mozlimz! And yet, Christian terrorist groups still plague the west, but of course they aren't significant enough, it's solely 'those towel-headed camel riders' who want to destroy humanity.

As much as you'd like to think this is a war against the West - it isn't. White people interfere so much with Middle Eastern topics, thinking their misinformed understandings, and how uncultured they are, are advanced enough to tackle Islam. WRONG. This is a Muslim issue which globally affects more Muslims than any other religion. Whites can't control their hurt feelings then wonder why there is such a magnitude of hostility towards such laws from Muslims. Stripping Muslims of their religious garments, as if the average Muslim is a terrorist, is so dehumanising and intolerant. It baffles me that THIS is the level of terror among white people and what they feel appropriate to accomplish instead of solidarity and respect. The fact that it's even a viable discussion, as if it concerns you all that much.

I say whites and not Christians or non-Muslims in general because it's the whites who feel Muslims owe them an apology, who continuously complain that 'if a woman went to their countries dressed in a bikini she would be stoned' (how ironic that these whites only care about their women and their men failing to understand how different cultures work. Though, to some extent, it regards religion, this is primarily a cultural thing. Stop likening sexual prowess and body confidence to the pinnacle of female advancement and remember that culture differs worldwide. What your white saviour instinct seems 'oh so insufferable and crude' is not the case in different parts of the world - and not just women covering themselves up either. LOL!!!)

The burqa and hijab are not the problem but paranoia and decades of propaganda. For people who pride themselves in NOT being SJWs, you sure are an easily offended bunch.

vamp

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Originally posted by Glamorous

Of course the whites in this thread will play the saviour game, pretending to be devoted to the rights and protection of Muslim womyn while simultaneously slandering their religion and practices because it makes THEM uncomfortable.

The fact that you whites will nitpick over Islam's 'atrocities' in the past, failing to acknowledge that Islam pioneered modern science and mathematics - that, without Islam, the world would be a lot different - is beyond me. (Renaissance writers, philosophers and theologians stole from Islamic literature and theories.) You fail to understand that white Christians literally enslaved, raped, exploited and stole from people around the world for hundreds of years - A LOT longer and more viciously than those damned Mozlimz! And yet, Christian terrorist groups still plague the west, but of course they aren't significant enough, it's solely 'those towel-headed camel riders' who want to destroy humanity.

As much as you'd like to think this is a war against the West - it isn't. White people interfere so much with Middle Eastern topics, thinking their misinformed understandings, and how uncultured they are, are advanced enough to tackle Islam. WRONG. This is a Muslim issue which globally affects more Muslims than any other religion. Whites can't control their hurt feelings then wonder why there is such a magnitude of hostility towards such laws from Muslims. Stripping Muslims of their religious garments, as if the average Muslim is a terrorist, is so dehumanising and intolerant. It baffles me that THIS is the level of terror among white people and what they feel appropriate to accomplish instead of solidarity and respect. The fact that it's even a viable discussion, as if it concerns you all that much.

I say whites and not Christians or non-Muslims in general because it's the whites who feel Muslims owe them an apology, who continuously complain that 'if a woman went to their countries dressed in a bikini she would be stoned' (how ironic that these whites only care about their women and their men failing to understand how different cultures work. Though, to some extent, it regards religion, this is primarily a cultural thing. Stop likening sexual prowess and body confidence to the pinnacle of female advancement and remember that culture differs worldwide. What your white saviour instinct seems 'oh so insufferable and crude' is not the case in different parts of the world - and not just women covering themselves up either. LOL!!!)

The burqa and hijab are not the problem but paranoia and decades of propaganda. For people who pride themselves in NOT being SJWs, you sure are an easily offended bunch.

Where are the Islamic nobel peace prize winners though?

Chemist

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Originally posted by Glamorous

Of course the whites in this thread will play the saviour game, pretending to be devoted to the rights and protection of Muslim womyn while simultaneously slandering their religion and practices because it makes THEM uncomfortable.

The fact that you whites will nitpick over Islam's 'atrocities' in the past, failing to acknowledge that Islam pioneered modern science and mathematics - that, without Islam, the world would be a lot different - is beyond me. (Renaissance writers, philosophers and theologians stole from Islamic literature and theories.) You fail to understand that white Christians literally enslaved, raped, exploited and stole from people around the world for hundreds of years - A LOT longer and more viciously than those damned Mozlimz! And yet, Christian terrorist groups still plague the west, but of course they aren't significant enough, it's solely 'those towel-headed camel riders' who want to destroy humanity.

As much as you'd like to think this is a war against the West - it isn't. White people interfere so much with Middle Eastern topics, thinking their misinformed understandings, and how uncultured they are, are advanced enough to tackle Islam. WRONG. This is a Muslim issue which globally affects more Muslims than any other religion. Whites can't control their hurt feelings then wonder why there is such a magnitude of hostility towards such laws from Muslims. Stripping Muslims of their religious garments, as if the average Muslim is a terrorist, is so dehumanising and intolerant. It baffles me that THIS is the level of terror among white people and what they feel appropriate to accomplish instead of solidarity and respect. The fact that it's even a viable discussion, as if it concerns you all that much.

I say whites and not Christians or non-Muslims in general because it's the whites who feel Muslims owe them an apology, who continuously complain that 'if a woman went to their countries dressed in a bikini she would be stoned' (how ironic that these whites only care about their women and their men failing to understand how different cultures work. Though, to some extent, it regards religion, this is primarily a cultural thing. Stop likening sexual prowess and body confidence to the pinnacle of female advancement and remember that culture differs worldwide. What your white saviour instinct seems 'oh so insufferable and crude' is not the case in different parts of the world - and not just women covering themselves up either. LOL!!!)

The burqa and hijab are not the problem but paranoia and decades of propaganda. For people who pride themselves in NOT being SJWs, you sure are an easily offended bunch.

Wow this escalated. No one is really blaming islam but the fundamentalists

Burqas are a form of repression against women and for that they need to be banned EVERYWHERE

antoine_

If they dont like it then they can go away

FOCK

I understand the banning on Niqqabs for security purposes.

However, why is their such a stigma around the Hijab?

What is the difference between a Nun who covers her hair, dresses modestly, deprives herself of sex & devotes herself to God & her beliefs, and a Muslim woman who dresses modestly & devotes herself to God & her beliefs?

Those that are screaming "oppression!" fail to realise that it is in fact a CHOICE a woman makes and these laws are the oppressing factors, denying them of practicing their culture simply because you don't share their views & values.

Yes, in some nations it is forced - and that I don't necessarily agree with - However, essentially, nobody in the western world can force a woman to do anything she rejects.

The post by "Glamorous" in this thread is spot on.

rockabella

honestly i don't really understand this law cause i have lived in switzerland all my life and only ever seen anyone wearing a niqab/burqa when visiting the french speaking part which is usually more left than the rest of the country so a state only law won't happen there anyways. so in my opinion this mainly targets muslim tourists and since tourism has been quite bad cause the swiss currency has been so strong i do not understand why they would do this? also there are plans to make this a federal swiss law together with banning ski masks etc which worries me a bit and again imo it's not necessary cause lack of ppl wearing burqa and niqab to begin with only hijab which is fine and not that common either.

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Originally posted by RatedG²

Yet they don't ban ski masks.

Save the crap

several cantons/states in switzerland have had a law against ski masks etc for years but yes ticino is not one of them.

Schhh

gloamingtheplain

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Originally posted by RatedG²

This is extremely offensive. **** the whole "covering the face isn't safe" bs, it's literally aimed at this religion ONLY. You can still wear masks that cover your face and stuff

**** Italy, or rather this city

You can be arrested if you refuse to uncover your face in a public place though. If you walk into a store with a helmet on your head, large hat etc you will be asked to remove it. Because if you do something wrong, you can't be identified.

It's controversial, but the end of the day, public safety >>> it's no one's fault it's the world we live in because to cover your identity in public is an automatic threat

gloamingtheplain

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Originally posted by Glamorous

Of course the whites in this thread will play the saviour game, pretending to be devoted to the rights and protection of Muslim womyn while simultaneously slandering their religion and practices because it makes THEM uncomfortable.

The fact that you whites will nitpick over Islam's 'atrocities' in the past, failing to acknowledge that Islam pioneered modern science and mathematics - that, without Islam, the world would be a lot different - is beyond me. (Renaissance writers, philosophers and theologians stole from Islamic literature and theories.) You fail to understand that white Christians literally enslaved, raped, exploited and stole from people around the world for hundreds of years - A LOT longer and more viciously than those damned Mozlimz! And yet, Christian terrorist groups still plague the west, but of course they aren't significant enough, it's solely 'those towel-headed camel riders' who want to destroy humanity.

As much as you'd like to think this is a war against the West - it isn't. White people interfere so much with Middle Eastern topics, thinking their misinformed understandings, and how uncultured they are, are advanced enough to tackle Islam. WRONG. This is a Muslim issue which globally affects more Muslims than any other religion. Whites can't control their hurt feelings then wonder why there is such a magnitude of hostility towards such laws from Muslims. Stripping Muslims of their religious garments, as if the average Muslim is a terrorist, is so dehumanising and intolerant. It baffles me that THIS is the level of terror among white people and what they feel appropriate to accomplish instead of solidarity and respect. The fact that it's even a viable discussion, as if it concerns you all that much.

I say whites and not Christians or non-Muslims in general because it's the whites who feel Muslims owe them an apology, who continuously complain that 'if a woman went to their countries dressed in a bikini she would be stoned' (how ironic that these whites only care about their women and their men failing to understand how different cultures work. Though, to some extent, it regards religion, this is primarily a cultural thing. Stop likening sexual prowess and body confidence to the pinnacle of female advancement and remember that culture differs worldwide. What your white saviour instinct seems 'oh so insufferable and crude' is not the case in different parts of the world - and not just women covering themselves up either. LOL!!!)

The burqa and hijab are not the problem but paranoia and decades of propaganda. For people who pride themselves in NOT being SJWs, you sure are an easily offended bunch.

At the end of the day though, you can be arrested for refusing to take a beanie off in a nightclub. In 2015, we live in a world where if you cover your identity or people can't identity you, you are an instant threat to anyone, no matter where we come from. We all have each other to blame.
Peoples thoughts about the religion and women's rights etc are off topic. This is an action taken for public safety.

KyIe

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Originally posted by Glamorous

Of course the whites in this thread will play the saviour game, pretending to be devoted to the rights and protection of Muslim womyn while simultaneously slandering their religion and practices because it makes THEM uncomfortable.

The fact that you whites will nitpick over Islam's 'atrocities' in the past, failing to acknowledge that Islam pioneered modern science and mathematics - that, without Islam, the world would be a lot different - is beyond me. (Renaissance writers, philosophers and theologians stole from Islamic literature and theories.) You fail to understand that white Christians literally enslaved, raped, exploited and stole from people around the world for hundreds of years - A LOT longer and more viciously than those damned Mozlimz! And yet, Christian terrorist groups still plague the west, but of course they aren't significant enough, it's solely 'those towel-headed camel riders' who want to destroy humanity.

As much as you'd like to think this is a war against the West - it isn't. White people interfere so much with Middle Eastern topics, thinking their misinformed understandings, and how uncultured they are, are advanced enough to tackle Islam. WRONG. This is a Muslim issue which globally affects more Muslims than any other religion. Whites can't control their hurt feelings then wonder why there is such a magnitude of hostility towards such laws from Muslims. Stripping Muslims of their religious garments, as if the average Muslim is a terrorist, is so dehumanising and intolerant. It baffles me that THIS is the level of terror among white people and what they feel appropriate to accomplish instead of solidarity and respect. The fact that it's even a viable discussion, as if it concerns you all that much.

I say whites and not Christians or non-Muslims in general because it's the whites who feel Muslims owe them an apology, who continuously complain that 'if a woman went to their countries dressed in a bikini she would be stoned' (how ironic that these whites only care about their women and their men failing to understand how different cultures work. Though, to some extent, it regards religion, this is primarily a cultural thing. Stop likening sexual prowess and body confidence to the pinnacle of female advancement and remember that culture differs worldwide. What your white saviour instinct seems 'oh so insufferable and crude' is not the case in different parts of the world - and not just women covering themselves up either. LOL!!!)

The burqa and hijab are not the problem but paranoia and decades of propaganda. For people who pride themselves in NOT being SJWs, you sure are an easily offended bunch.

Typical biased white hating post seen from the oh so enlightened ATRL member. First of all the horrible instances of these "whites" occurred several hundred years ago. You CANNOT imprint 21st century values on people acting and living in the 12th century

They had no conceptual notion of science or humanity and these ideologies pervading ALL cultures during that time (Asians, Muslims, Christians, Africans)... not just whites. And nobody is even denying these atrocities in the first place. The issue is the barbaric practices of fundamentalist Islam are STILL OCCURRING in a supposedly modern world. Also would like to mention most of the Islamic mathematical and scientific marvels were already invented or stolen from the Chinese... but nice try.

Yes, wearing those garments made people uncomfortable and that is a problem because? Those garments completely hide the identity of the people behind them making a serious security issue. Obviously that was the main reason behind the law. However just because the intended result wasn't to "liberate" women doesn't mean that oppressed women whom have been indoctrinated into believing that they should wear these head pieces won't benefit from this.

I do agree with you however that the "whites"shouldn't engage in Muslim affairs whatsoever. Every penny that is being put into the region should be removed and the area will quickly dissolve into small fragmented nations effectively destroying the terrorist groups and their cash flow and then the white people won't be god forbid so uncomfortable anymore.