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Discussion: Avril or Kelly C: Bigger this decade?
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Originally posted by -Lewymocha-
Not Avril being only 2.8. million records behind Kelly, and Kelly releasing 4 albums. That speaks for itself. Avril has more impact when she releases. Discussion is concluded by this post. Thanks x
BTW Goodbye Lullaby was 1.7 million at end of 2014, and Avril Lavigne 750k. And those receipts are a year old. So yeah. Also What The Hell has sold 5 million WW. But slay I guess undermining Avril's receipts, and definitely inflating Kelly's album receipts
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I have not inflated Kelly's receipts at all. Take a look at the thread, the evidence is all there. Such a baseless claim.
And I don't run Avril's receipts thread, take it up with the OP. But slay ""clocking"" me with the 50k differences
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Originally posted by ClarksonSlays
Kelly
Stronger - 1.75M
Wrapped in Red - 1M
Greatest Hits - 1M
PXP - 300k
Total: 4.05M
Avril
Goodbye Lullaby - 1.65M
Avril Lavgine - 650k
Total: 2.3M
Kelly
Stronger - 6M
Mr. Know it All - 2M
Catch My Breath: 2M
Total: 10M
Avril
What the Hell - 3M
Smile - 1.3M
Wish You Were Here - 1.1M
Alice - 1.4M
HTNGU - 1.7M
Hello Kitty, Rock n Roll, Let Me Go - 400K
Total: 8.9M
Seems pretty clear to me.
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What The Hell sold more than 5,5M
US: 2,1M
SK: 1,7M
JPN: 750K
4,55M from three countries alone.
HTNGU sold +1,35M in the US alone
Rock N Roll sold 500k
Let Me Go sold 400k
Hello Kitty sold 150k
Avril is just more global.
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Originally posted by ClarksonSlays
It may not be at 3M but it's definitely not at 5M like her receipts claim The certifications for the song add up to a biT over 3M, so 5M is not realistic.
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The song has sold about 2M in Asia lol, it was realy huge there.
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Originally posted by Black Umbrella
What The Hell sold more than 5,5M
US: 2,1M
SK: 1,7M
JPN: 750K
4,55M from three countries alone.
HTNGU sold +1,35M in the US alone
Rock N Roll sold 500k
Let Me Go sold 400k
Hello Kitty sold 150k
Avril is just more global.
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Originally posted by PhoebeBuffay
The song has sold about 2M in Asia lol, it was realy huge there.
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Again, I am taking all these numbers from the receipts threads. No one counts South Korean numbers because digital sales there are dirt cheap, but I can use Kelly's South Korean digital receipts as well if you like:
Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You): 500,000
Mr. Know it All: 600,000
Catch My Breath: 250,000
Underneath the Tree: 100,000
Tie It Up: 50,000
There's an extra 1.5M right there.
No matter how you try to spin it, Kelly has been more successful this decade, period.
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What The Hell
United States: 2,100,000 (Platinum)
South Korea: 1,700,000
Japan: 750,000 (2x Platinum)
Canada: 210,000 (2x Platinum)
Australia: 170,000 (2x Platinum)
United Kingdom: 165,000
Germany: 100,000
France: 75,000
Italy: 20,000 (Gold)
New Zealand: 10,000 (Gold)
Lol @ 3M.
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Of course she has, she has released two records more (one of them being a Christmas album ) and the double of amount of singles. Let's see who will sell more next era though! Piece By Piece got much more promo than Avril Lavigne did yet flopped to the pits.
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What an insult to Kelly
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Due to popular demand:
Kelly
Stronger - 1.75M
Wrapped in Red - 1M
Greatest Hits - 1M
PXP - 300k
Total: 4.05M
Average: 1M
Avril
Goodbye Lullaby - 1.65M
Avril Lavgine - 750k
Total: 2.4M
Average: 1.2M
Kelly
Stronger - 6M
Mr. Know it All - 2M
Dark Side 750k
Catch My Breath: 2M
People Like Us: 500k
Don't Rush: 400K
Heartbeat Song: 1.5M
Total: 13.15M
Average: 1.87M
Avril
What the Hell - 5M
Smile - 1.3M
Wish You Were Here - 1.1M
Alice - 1.4M
HTNGU - 1.7M
Hello Kitty, Rock n Roll, Let Me Go - 400K
Total: 10.4M
Average: 1.3M
Total Records
Kelly: 17.2M
Avril: 11.6M
Even with South Korean figures being counted for Avril and not for Kelly, Kelly still wins by a considerable stretch.
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The demand for Empress Lavigne is so great that even her experimental, bilingual, Japanese-exclusive ode to the country charted in America on streaming alone. She wins.
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Originally posted by ClarksonSlays
Due to popular demand:
Kelly
Stronger - 1.75M
Wrapped in Red - 1M
Greatest Hits - 1M
PXP - 300k
Total: 4.05M
Average: 1M
Avril
Goodbye Lullaby - 1.65M
Avril Lavgine - 750k
Total: 2.4M
Average: 1.2M
Kelly
Stronger - 6M
Mr. Know it All - 2M
Dark Side 750k
Catch My Breath: 2M
People Like Us: 500k
Don't Rush: 400K
Heartbeat Song: 1.5M
Total: 13.15M
Average: 1.87M
Avril
What the Hell - 5M
Smile - 1.3M
Wish You Were Here - 1.1M
Alice - 1.4M
HTNGU - 1.7M
Hello Kitty, Rock n Roll, Let Me Go - 400K
Total: 10.4M
Average: 1.816M
Total Records
Kelly: 17.2M
Avril: 11.6M
Even with South Korean figures being counted for Avril and not for Kelly, Kelly still wins by a considerable stretch.
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She sill has 2 more albums tho and it's very fair to compare that way
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Originally posted by PhoebeBuffay
Of course she has, she has released two records more (one of them being a Christmas album ) and the double of amount of singles. Let's see who will sell more next era though! Piece By Piece got much more promo than Avril Lavigne did yet flopped to the pits.
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This is so full of BS. Avril has released 8 singles this decade while Kelly - not including her irrelevant Christmas singles - has released 9. Kelly has sold more singles overall and averaged.
Piece by Piece and Avril Lavinge flopped, except Piece by Piece is Kelly's 6th (7th including Wrapped in Red) album while AL is Avril's 5th.
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Kelly Clarkson has had more success than Avril this decade tbh, she was still going strong in 2011 when Avril started to underperform with Goodbye Lullaby....
But as of 2015 I think they're in the same boat. Avril hasn't released music in a while because she's been sick whereas Kelly has like two extra albums on her.
They're both stuck in the 2000s tbh, I absolutely love both of them but they've sadly been replaced
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Originally posted by KKCuteCat
She sill has 2 more albums tho and it's very fair to compare that way
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I mean, Avril's next album will likely bring the average down into Kelly's ballpark. If we're not counting PXP and GH - which would be somewhat fair since Stronger and Wrapped in Red came out at similar times compared to GL and AL - Kelly's average would be higher.
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Kelly actually had hits and won grammys this decade.
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Originally posted by ClarksonSlays
Avril
Goodbye Lullaby - 1.65M
Avril Lavgine - 750k
Total: 2.4M
Average: 1.2M
Avril
What the Hell - 5M
Smile - 1.3M
Wish You Were Here - 1.1M
Alice - 1.4M
HTNGU - 1.7M
Hello Kitty, Rock n Roll, Let Me Go - 400K
Total: 10.4M
Average: 1.3M
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I'll give you numbers you go do the math.
WTH 5,85M
HTNGU 2,5M
Alice 1,4M
Smile 1,3M
WYWH 1,1M
RNR 500K
LMG 400K
These are her singles that were released worlwide this decade
GL sold 1,7M
AL sold 700K
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Kelly has been more successful in the US, since she got a #1 hit in 2012. She also has a bigger presence on Singing shows than Avril
But I feel like Avril has more power. At least all of the AL singles charted on the Hot 100. PBP has only had ONE song chart from it.
HTNGU still outpeaked Heartbeat Song.
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Kelly is very local. No one cares about her outside US. And her VEVO views is tragic
Stronger - The massive worldwide hit: 170 million
WTH - The flop: ~250 million
Not to mention Wish You Were Here - The bigger flop ~250 million
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No question, Kelly. How could it be Avril ...
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Originally posted by Black Umbrella
I'll give you numbers you go do the math.
WTH 5,85M
HTNGU 2,5M
Alice 1,4M
Smile 1,3M
WYWH 1,1M
RNR 500K
LMG 400K
These are her singles that were released worlwide this decade
GL sold 1,7M
AL sold 700K
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13M singles (1.86M average)
2.4M albums
Album sales are still the same, and single sales would be tied with Kelly, however, since you're using South Korean figures for Avril, if I were to use them for Kelly this decade that would bump up Kelly's sales by 2.2M (4.2M if you include the 2M Because of You sold in South Korea THIS decade ), and push her average above Avril again.
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