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Discussion: Metacritic is a piece of ****
Member Since: 1/6/2014
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Originally posted by Evolution
The fact that people think music quality is "completely subjective" is complete ********. You can LIKE certain type of music more than other but quality is no that subjective.
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Uh yes it is, just like basically anything else since we all have different opinions on something.
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Originally posted by umich
Far from it.
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Haha, what he said.
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So an album doesn't deserve its spot just because you think the album is bad?
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Member Since: 6/28/2008
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I usually agree with Metacritic. Also note that they review albums as a whole, so stuff like how the tracks relate to each other can matter more than how good a single song is.
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Also the concept of quality when it comes to music other than opinions?
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Originally posted by Bounce
In what world is Katy's music like Taylor's? Taylor was making country music her entire career and critics always praised her because of her good writing skills and that's why they praised 1989 as well.
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Right? In what world is Taylor making songs like Peacock, Hot n Cold, Birthday, or This Is How We Do? Where's Katy's Enchanted, her State of Grace, her All Too Well, her Safe & Sound???? Oh right they don't exist
OT: No, people who discredit Metacritic usually have favs that aren't that acclaimed. It's the best way we have to gauge the overall reception of an album from a group of people who are paid to review the album. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's wrong. If you don't like it, invent another way to measure the way albums are scored
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Theus
Uh yes it is, just like basically anything else since we all have different opinions on something.
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Art is not COMPLETELY subjective. Are you seriously going to compare Fiona Apple writing songs like Shadowboxer, Extraordinary Machine, Every Single Night when she displays amazing wordplay, metaphors to Britney Spears singing "you better work bitch"
And then come here and say "it's subjective!!!" I'm sorry, but it is not. Fiona's music (just like many other artists' music) has more substance and is objectively better from a creative and artistic point of view, sorry.
Whether you enjoy it or not is subjective.
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Originally posted by Evolution
Art is not COMPLETELY subjective. Are you seriously going to compare Fiona Apple writing songs like Shadowboxer, Extraordinary Machine, Every Single Night when she displays amazing wordplay, metaphors to Britney Spears singing "you better work bitch"
And then come here and say "it's subjective!!!" I'm sorry, but it is not. Fiona's music (just like many other artists' music) has more substance and is objectively better from a creative an artistic point of view, sorry.
Whether you enjoy it or not is subjective.
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The fact we don't agree on something just proves more my point than anything can be subjective.
And honey, that is what you and other groups of people consider quality. What makes your concept of quality better than someone else in a objective way? Nothing other than your words.
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Originally posted by Theus
Uh yes it is, just like basically anything else since we all have different opinions on something.
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That's still your subjective opinion. Objectively, there's still a way to differentiate the quality of an album like Ray of Light from an album like Bangerz, for example. Just because someone might like Bangerz better than ROL does NOT make it objectively better. Subjectively sure. To each their own. But the critics are capable of differentiating the objective differences between albums that are criteria for higher scores or lower ones
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Originally posted by Ventitonic
Selena Gomez's Revival is a 74, higher than any of Mariah Carey, Katy Perry, Britney, Michael Jackson, most of Beyonce's (just except ha magnum opus, ST), Adele's 19 album (21 has 76).....
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Yeah I was confused how Adele got a 76 while Future's Dirty Sprite 2 has over 80 and Young Thug trash Carter 3 reject scored in the 70s. Critics don't respect real art anymore like they once used to.
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Originally posted by Theus
The fact we don't agree on something just proves more my point than anything can be subjective.
And honey, that is what you and other groups of people consider quality. What makes your concept of quality better than someone else in a objective way? Nothing other than your words.
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I agree
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Originally posted by WeFoundTrouble
That's still your subjective opinion. Objectively, there's still a way to differentiate the quality of an album like Ray of Light from an album like Bangerz, for example. Just because someone might like Bangerz better than ROL does NOT make it objectively better. Subjectively sure. To each their own. But the critics are capable of differentiating the objective differences between albums that are criteria for higher scores or lower ones
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Why not? Even though I think Ray of Light is better than Bangerz I don't underdtand why someone can't put the other above.
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ATRL Contributor
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Metacritic although a good measurement of critical acclaim is not good enough as many albums that get 80+ scores from troll accounts in Billboard/EW and got only like 5 reviews in total have advanatage over albums that get like 30 reviews by more serious music critics.
End of the year lists and especially end of the half-decade/decade lists are more accurate as give the critics/music experts to listen more patiently and more objectively the artists music
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Let's say someone likes McDonalds. Ok, good. It's your subjective taste and you're entitled to eating it.
But objectively, from the outside looking in, McDonald's is still trash. Not healthy, not fresh, etc.
The same applies to music. You can like an album all you want. But at the end of the day the quality is objective. How much you enjoy the album is subjective, but the quality is not.
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Originally posted by liberalmusiclover
Yes. For example, Unapologetic got a 61 on Metacritic (most of the reviewers gave the album a negative score because she collaborated with Chris Brown on Nobody's Business) but the album went on to win the GRAMMY Award for Best Urban Contemporary Album. The GRAMMYS sees past that meaningless mess and awards true talent.
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Then I guess Beyoncé really is one of the most talented artists of all time
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Originally posted by Bounce
In what world is Katy's music like Taylor's? Taylor was making country music her entire career and critics always praised her because of her good writing skills and that's why they praised 1989 as well.
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1989 and Teenage Dream are basically the same production with a few tweaks here and there.
And Taylor is a terrible songwriter, I think only teenagers would call her a good one cause of her content.
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How do we know labels don't actually pay money for favorable reviews?
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Originally posted by Theus
Why not? Even though I think Ray of Light is better than Bangerz I don't underdtand why someone can't put the other above.
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Because, you can enjoy something all day long, but that doesn't make it high quality. I can wear thrift clothes all I want and be completely happy, but the quality of the fabric is never going to be as good as a name brand. But I can be happy with my thrift store clothes all I want subjectively. It's the objectivity that doesn't move.
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Originally posted by Evolution
Art is not COMPLETELY subjective. Are you seriously going to compare Fiona Apple writing songs like Shadowboxer, Extraordinary Machine, Every Single Night when she displays amazing wordplay, metaphors to Britney Spears singing "you better work bitch"
And then come here and say "it's subjective!!!" I'm sorry, but it is not. Fiona's music (just like many other artists' music) has more substance and is objectively better from a creative and artistic point of view, sorry.
Whether you enjoy it or not is subjective.
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I'm starting to love your posts.
Exactly, art can't be entirely subjective. It needs to have some value to many audiences and it needs to be measured with some generally acceptable criteria.
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