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Right? It says to kill non-believers in the Qu'ran, but these crazies are killing everybody, even themselves which I'm pretty sure isn't allowed in Islam.

yes its not allowed.
its not allowed for muslim to kill muslims or non-muslim
so i don't know what these people calling isis or داعش muslims

Yes, I refuse to imply that they are representative of Islam or that they are a State, thus I will only ever call them Daesh.

I'm not Muslim though so I didn't vote in the poll as I feel it's something only they can say for sure.

Any organisation can choose any words to be used in their name, but anyone else can choose other words to refer to them. Nicknames like the Huns, the Krauts, the Boche, the Jerry, the Fritz,... were used for the Germans.

The Arabs call them Daesh, sounding a lot like a few other negative terms or swear words in Arabic. By using the same words as the Arabs, France shows that it's their struggle/war in the first place. France can assist them in their own struggle/war instead of making it looks like the crusaders are coming to change their world.

It's this political subtlety that makes Europeans more liked by other cultures than the cowboys from Murica shooting first, asking later why nobody like them.

"Islamic State" is incorrect. 90+ % of the Islamic world don't want them and the term demonises the Muslims like there is a clash of cultures coming. While it's an internal conflict in the Middle East that tries to find more naive recruits from the West by trying to make the West hates their Muslim population. And they aren't a state.

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Originally posted by Gouldkaty This IS Islam. It always has been.

Like Christians didn't have recent conflicts and peace walls keeping Catholics and Protestants apart are seen in cities everywhere in the West.



The nets are there to stop stones and Molotov cocktails being thrown over the walls.

You're going to attempt to parallel the Troubles in Northern Ireland, a conflict as much about the British-Irish conflict as it is about religion, to radical jihadists who want to kill themselves and as many others as they can in order to get the best virgins/impress a prophet/be morons in some fairytale they're told happens when they die?

Religion at large is a flop, but don't. There's a stark difference between what happened/happens in Northern Ireland, a section of a small island under control of the UK when many were ancestrally there before British rule, and where the majority of the island achieved independence from Britain.

And where are these walls "everywhere in the West?" I don't recall seeing these Catholic vs. Protestant walls in any city I've visited, other than Belfast.

You miss a simple point:

Does every Christian city in the West looks like Belfast? Does Belfast represent the Christian world? Neither have I seen the peace walls in the other cities.

Just like a few extremists organisations doesn't represent the Islamic world.

they are extremists but they are still islamic
just like the islam has always been for centuries

I guess I can see how it would be.

The problem with that is the conflict in Northern Ireland is as trenched in nationality as it is in religion, which by and large is a by-product of nationality in this case. Your second image shows that defiantly.

Islamic State is fitting in the sense that they're interpreting the holy text of Islam to design a nation around Sharia Law. It's a name they gave themselves, it doesn't have to reflect Muslims as a whole, PC-ness can be left aside for the sake of being on the same page when talking about a group of terrorists.

How so? ISIS want Islam as the global religion and sharia law. Sharia law comes from the Quran and Hadith so if anything they it is among ISIS, Qatar and Saudi Arabia who has the most accurate interperatation of the Quran.