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Poll: Should Billboard eliminate radio from the Hot 100 formula?
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View Poll Results: Should Billboard eliminate radio from the Hot 100 formula?
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Yes. The Hot 100 should only be based on sales and streams?
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No. Keep the influence of radio in the Hot 100.
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Member Since: 8/17/2012
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Originally posted by RickyH.
Popular is well liked, not well known. There's a difference. And this argument makes no sense at all. A song being played by a company organized and running for the purpose of promotion is determining what is played. Radio deals and other forms of heavy rotation reflect this. Take for example the dozens of hits this decade which only hit the top 10, or top 5 in certain instances, thanks to radio airplay. The argument that people "like a song when it's on the radio" but don't buy or stream it is irrelevant, when there are songs with massive sales and streams which radio is reluctant to pick up, while there are also songs that are played on the radio alongside strong sales and streams.
Radio IS a great way for people to find and discover new music, although it no longer accurately reflects what is most popular at any given time.
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Radio deals can give a song an upper hand during the week that it has the deal, but 99% of the time, the songs that get radio deals also have very big first week sales and streaming numbers, so excluding radio for that purpose wouldn't make a difference. Radio stations will not play songs that people unanimously dislike. There's countless examples of songs that start taking off on radio very quickly, but then are suddenly dropped because negative research comes in.
There are very few examples of songs with MASSIVE sales and streams that radio doesn't pick up. They may be a bit late to pick it up, but like I already said, streaming is usually the last component of a song's popularity to decline, so excluding radio because it's a bit late wouldn't accomplish anything. A few exceptions of times where radio is stubborn shouldn't be enough to eliminate the entire component. Should we now exclude streaming too because some songs' sales and streaming runs are off?
I'd say a majority of the people I know in real life haven't heard of songs that aren't played on the radio. It may be "unfair" to the song or whatever you want to call it, but a song that a majority of people haven't heard of shouldn't smash on the Hot 100.
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Yes. Glad my faves have been able to adjust to the new industry as streaming monsters cause streaming is here and if you couldnt adjust you've been outdated 
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Originally posted by shelven
Radio deals can give a song an upper hand during the week that it has the deal, but 99% of the time, the songs that get radio deals also have very big first week sales and streaming numbers, so excluding radio for that purpose wouldn't make a difference. Radio stations will not play songs that people unanimously dislike. There's countless examples of songs that start taking off on radio very quickly, but then are suddenly dropped because negative research comes in.
There are very few examples of songs with MASSIVE sales and streams that radio doesn't pick up. They may be a bit late to pick it up, but like I already said, streaming is usually the last component of a song's popularity to decline, so excluding radio because it's a bit late wouldn't accomplish anything. A few exceptions of times where radio is stubborn shouldn't be enough to eliminate the entire component. Should we now exclude streaming too because some songs' sales and streaming runs are off?
I'd say a majority of the people I know in real life haven't heard of songs that aren't played on the radio. It may be "unfair" to the song or whatever you want to call it, but a song that a majority of people haven't heard of shouldn't smash on the Hot 100.
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I definitely do where you're coming from with this. I just hold that it's an outdated method of measuring popularity at the current moment. If it's not eliminated in the near future, it's impact on the formula needs to be severely diminished. The way I see it is that radio is a way to tell if someone is enjoying a song, however sales and streaming show demand and desire. Think of anyone who uses the radio for a means of background noise or because there's nothing else to listen to? They certainly aren't listening in the hopes that one or two particular songs will come on. They're there to listen to a collective group of songs, with no particular demand for any specific song, as they really can't control whether it will play or not.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by umich
So just sales only? Are you here for a song selling 70,000 to top the Hot 100?
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Yes. It's the most bought song in the country that week so yes
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Originally posted by popmusic
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That doesn't mean that those people like the music and radio plays established artists more than anything. 
It's not an even playing field. Smaller artists always have such a hard time getting played on the radio and radio rarely takes a chance with new artists. Just look how long it took Shawn Mendes' single Stitches to properly break through. It was top 30 on iTunes for months and selling on it's own but for whatever reason radio wasn't taking it any further.
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Originally posted by RickyH.
I definitely do where you're coming from with this. I just hold that it's an outdated method of measuring popularity at the current moment. If it's not eliminated in the near future, it's impact on the formula needs to be severely diminished. The way I see it is that radio is a way to tell if someone is enjoying a song, however sales and streaming show demand and desire. Think of anyone who uses the radio for a means of background noise or because there's nothing else to listen to? They certainly aren't listening in the hopes that one or two particular songs will come on. They're there to listen to a collective group of songs, with no particular demand for any specific song, as they really can't control whether it will play or not.
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I completely agree that the formula needs to be tweaked and the reporting method itself needs to be improved. I even said that in my first post in this thread 
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but topping radio is even less of a guarantee of being #1 on the H100 than it used to be:
2010:
BedRock
Need You Now
2011:
F**k You! (Forget You)
Give Me Everything
2012:
Payphone
Lights
Blow Me (One Last Kiss)
2013:
I Knew You Were Trouble
Stay
Mirrors
Wake Me Up!
Counting Stars
2014:
Am I Wrong
Stay With Me
Habits (Stay High)
Animals
2015:
Love Me Like You Do
Earned It (Fifty Shades Of Grey)
Wildest Dreams
They are appropriately phasing it out, but it will be a long process.
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Member Since: 7/4/2007
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Originally posted by umich
So just sales only? Are you here for a song selling 70,000 to top the Hot 100?
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This could happen next year regardless.
I mean, Can't Feel My Face was at 77k technically and #1.
And if you say "but CMA," then See You Again was at 81k and #1.
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Originally posted by RickyH.
Yes. I've said this time and time again. It's the only factor in the H100 that the consumer has NO control over.The H100 is meant to convey the most popular songs in the nation for the given week, which would entail the songs most demanded by the public. Streaming and sales are able to measure this. Radio airplay for which the public has no control or power over does not. It's an outdated method of measurement and should be removed from the formula.
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The songs that are played on radio (especially recurrents) are playlisted based on compiled research about demographics and target audiences. Lots of surveys (phone and online) are used to put it together, not to mention the radio stations that actually honor requests.
Billboard should however filter out radio deals.
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Member Since: 6/29/2002
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Yes, radio should be removed, and also any streams that are not the full song. There's no need for it now that streaming is taking over.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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No, it's an idicator of songs that are popular across the country, whether the songs are overplayed or not.
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Radio is no different from streaming.
If you use Pandora, iHeartRadio, or something similar, you don't choose what song you want to hear. At most, you could just skip it, but that's just like changing a radio station in a car.
And the Billboard Hot 100 is a popularity chart, not a sales chart, so radio should be included.
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Yes. A chart should reflect what people are actually listening to, not what they're being forced to listen to by record labels paying.
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Originally posted by Doogle
Yes. A chart should reflect what people are actually listening to, not what they're being forced to listen to by record labels paying.
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They have On-Demand Songs, Streaming Songs, and Digital Songs charts 
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YES. Radio stations are run by companies who sign a lot of radio deals. It's just not objective. Keep 50-50 sales + streaming into your formula.
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No. Radio play might not be directly in peoples' control, but is related to what the public wants to hear. If people like a song, they'll request it. If they hate it, the radio station will know and not play it. It is a reflection of the popularity of the song.
I think streaming needs to not weigh as much in the formula tbh.....viral songs like Haarlem Shake don't need to be charting so high. If it was like that in 2011, Friday would have been #1. 
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Yes, it should. Unless there is some way to measure radio requests, there's not much of a way to determine how much people actually want to listen to what's being played.
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The Hot 100 reflects a songs POPULARITY across the U.S. Radio garners millions of listeners on a daily basis. A songs played often on radio, particularly pop radio, with crossover appeal is heard by millions and is therefore popular, regardless of whether or not they chose to buy it. Eliminating radio would only hurt the charts accuracy.
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