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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by dessy
Hopefully that's to come. The GOP needs an update on their things. But they're still winning at any level under Presidential.
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That's why IDK how things are going to turn out once the baby boomers are done with. They vote for practically everything and millennials only come out for the Presidential vote.  We'll have no one leading.
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Originally posted by Meowster
That's why IDK how things are going to turn out once the baby boomers are done with. They vote for practically everything and millennials only come out for the Presidential vote. We'll have no one leading. |
Well people do vote more often as they grow older.
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Originally posted by Chucko
Chanel is fine, even if grossly misguided... Now if I start getting mysterious warning points like when I was arguing with Doc back in the day, I might change my stance  |
Oop @ the Chanel shade
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Originally posted by Meowster
That's why IDK how things are going to turn out once the baby boomers are done with. They vote for practically everything and millennials only come out for the Presidential vote. We'll have no one leading. |
By then, imo, voting will be easier. Maybe figerprint authenticated online voting etc
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Hilary's History of Corruption via Reddit
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For the younger voters.... here is a bit of Hillary I am betting you won’t remember... Many people who may vote in the democratic primary election and the general election in 2016 have no real knowledge of Mrs. Clinton or her accomplishments. As a public service, I thought I would provide some input regarding her triumphs for consideration.
When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a health care reform. Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn’t even get a vote in a democratic controlled congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.
Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood – both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. Next she chose Janet Reno – husband Bill described her selection as “my worst mistake.” Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.
Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovered of Ms. Guanier’s radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.
Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations. She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department. Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign. Many younger voters will have no knowledge of “Travelgate.” Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson – and the White House Travel Office refused to comply. She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the president denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House. Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.
Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the “bimbo eruption” and scandal defense. Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle were: · She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones. · She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr’s investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs. · Hillary’s devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for lying under oath to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives. · Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, “I do not recall,” “I have no recollection,” and “I don’t know” a total of 56 times while under oath. · After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had stolen.
Now we are exposed to: the destruction of possibly incriminating emails while Hillary was Secretary of State and the “pay to play” schemes of the Clinton Foundation – we have no idea what shoe will fall next. But to her loyal fans – “what difference does it make?”
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93% Bernie Sanders WINNER
93% Hillary Clinton
 Basically how I'll feel until actual voting.
84% Joe Biden (welp)
83% O'Malley
46% Donald Trump (I see you  )
25% Rand Paul & Jeb Bush
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94% Democratic, 91% Green Party, 84% Socialist, 30% Libertarian, 7% Constitution Party, 5% Republicans
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Hilary's History of Corruption via Reddit |
Name me a President who hasn't done that. Bush alone negates the entire Republican field and most of Obama's advisors come from Clinton years so...
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Name me a President who hasn't done that. Bush alone negates the entire Republican field and most of Obama's advisors come from Clinton years so...
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Hi, this thread is about the candidates for election 2016, not 2000.
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I assume everyone in here who supports her vocally is well aware of her history. I even mentioned earlier how the most intelligent thing she did during the hearing was say "I believe" and similar things all the time to avoid being held responsible for non-factual things.
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Bernie is going to attack Hillary hard in his Jefferson Jackson speech tonight
https://berniesanders.com/Jefferson-...pared-remarks/
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In 1996, I faced another fork in the road – another very difficult political decision. It was called the Defense of Marriage Act – brought forth by a Republican-led Congress. Its purpose was to write discrimination against gays and lesbians into law. Let us remember, that support for gay rights back in 1996 was not what it is today.
And I’m sorry to tell you that that bill won by an overwhelming majority of 342 to 57 in the House and 85 to 15 in the Senate, big majorities which included too many Democrats. That was not a politically easy vote. Today, some are trying to rewrite history by saying they voted for one anti-gay law to stop something worse. Let us be clear. That’s just not true. There was a small minority opposed to discriminating against our gay brothers and sisters. Not everybody held that position in 1996.
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My friends, I want to bring you back to a very eventful year and a tragic moment in the modern history of our country. The year is 2002. The issue is whether Congress should vote to invade Iraq. Public opinion and most of the media were for the war. And it turned out that big majorities in Congress were too. The vote was 296-133 in the House 77 to 23 in the Senate voted to give President Bush the authority to go to war. Let me tell you that I listened to what Bush had to say, to what Cheney had to say, to what Rumsfeld had to say. I didn’t believe them and I voted no.
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he's going for the Obama strategy at this dinner.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Hilary's History of Corruption via Reddit |
Tell us something new 
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Oop @ the Chanel shade
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I could not help myself but I also defended Chanel at the same time!
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
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But the Iraq vote is honestly a stupid way to go after her. I don't get it.
Like I know it's an issue, but it was more than a decade ago and it's one vote as opposed to his small history on guns. It's not even that relevant to this election - she's been the Secretary of State and visited a ridiculous number of countries since then.
Like it's the weakest attack anyone could possibly make against her when Benghazi and the emails and all are still out there.
Too bad he ruined the emails for himself, no going there now!
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Originally posted by Chanel.
I assume everyone in here who supports her vocally is well aware of her history. I even mentioned earlier how the most intelligent thing she did during the hearing was say "I believe" and similar things all the time to avoid being held responsible for non-factual things.
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That was the smart thing to avoid perjury but public opinion does not hold the same standard.
I would like Quinnipiac do that poll again, “What is the first word that comes to mind when you think of Hillary Clinton?”
Top 3:
liar
dishonest
untrustworthy
This is what really matters, maybe the results will be different, maybe not.
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Originally posted by Chanel.
But the Iraq vote is honestly a stupid way to go after her. I don't get it.
Like I know it's an issue, but it was more than a decade ago and it's one vote as opposed to his small history on guns. It's not even that relevant to this election - she's been the Secretary of State and visited a ridiculous number of countries since then.
Like it's the weakest attack anyone could possibly make against her when Benghazi and the emails and all are still out there.
Too bad he ruined the emails for himself, no going there now!
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I think he's going off it being the most effective line of attack by Obama in 2007/2008. Everyone just piled onto Hillary about the Iraq vote back then and it was, imo, what cost her the presidency back then.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
I think he's going off it being the most effective line of attack by Obama in 2007/2008. Everyone just piled onto Hillary about the Iraq vote back then and it was, imo, what cost her the presidency back then.
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Funny, if she faces Trump in the general he could pound her on her Iraq vote as well
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
I think he's going off it being the most effective line of attack by Obama in 2007/2008. Everyone just piled onto Hillary about the Iraq vote back then and it was, imo, what cost her the presidency back then.
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It's so dumb to do it again. She's clearly going to have practiced what to say and how to respond and deal with it, and it's even further away - EIGHT YEARS more - than last time.
It's just meh at this point.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Funny, if she faces Trump in the general he could pound her on her Iraq vote as well
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Yeah, but if Trump runs, the "flip flop" argument about Hillary just disappears. Trump is the ultimate flip flopper. He can ding her on Iraq. She can ding him on racism, sexism, and originally supporting single-payer healthcare, which would piss off his base.
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Originally posted by Chanel.
It's so dumb to do it again. She's clearly going to have practiced what to say and how to respond and deal with it, and it's even further away - EIGHT YEARS more - than last time.
It's just meh at this point.
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you'd be surprised by how many people still really care about the Iraq vote. Like..a lot of idealistic Lil Bernsters.
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Like I really hope he doesn't actually think he's an Obama. He's no Obama.
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