Comparing Bernie Sanders supporters to the likes of One Direction level fangirling has got to be one of the dumbest things that Ive ever read on this site.

Im still a bit undecided at this point. From what I saw yesterday, Clinton was a better debater, but I just dont trust her. Bernie would seek out change, but Im not sure if he can handle the stress. He stumbled a bit, and Im not sure if any of his ideas would be passed by Congress. He seems extremely genuine, but he comes across as a bit scatterbrained, but in a way that makes him more relatable? Idk Clinton seems a bit more composed and ready to take the office, but again, do we we want more of that? Its like the pop star groomed for stardom vs the underdog.

Take it from someone who is not really into politics, but maybe the polls are showing that Bernie won and the Media Outlets are saying Hillary won because they have a stake in her campaign? Again, this was probably already discussed in this thread, but Im looking at it from an outsiders perspective, since I dont follow politics all that much.

The main thing that I want cleared up is, how is Bernie going to follow through on the things that hes proposing? If he cant, then whats the point?

What dont you trust Hilary on? Next ask yourself who is the most likely to have a plan to get things done that benefit the vast majority of the American people? Then ask yourself who is most likely to move the needle at all?

I like Bernie and he is my second choice behind Hilary right now. However, Im concerned that he has empty platitudes good general ideas but no actual plans on how hed actually get things done. Hes had these positions for years and was never able to make progress on them or get others in congress to care enough to join him in fixing the problems.

I dont completely trust any politician. However, Hilary has plans to get things done not just words I like to hear...and she is willing to bend to the will of the people in many cases. Shes also the only one who mentioned prosecuting those who reck our economy going forward. Hilary had a 2-3-5 step plan for everything she stated she wanted to do. To me thats more important than the idea itself. Having a plan to execute the idea is more important than the idea alone.

Also, the Iowa Caucus poll numbers have me a little shook.

Regardless of stances, regardless of ideology, I personally believe we need to pick Hillary (or, I guess, Biden...) to have a solid shot at winning the general election, and I strongly believe she needs to keep turning the Iowa numbers back around as she is right now.

Whoever gets the nomination needs a strong win here this time around, and I'm definitely putting in my vote.

Side note, not intended to be just out there supporting Hillary: Bernie is polling at his lowest numbers in over a month both nationally and in Iowa. I just thought this was an observation one might make.

"we've been over this before. [expletive] we've been over this before!" Is definitely rude and abrasive, but it's not a back-and-forth worth having right now, so...

* Never said the focus groups (besides the suspect Fox one) were significantly in favor of Bernie, just that all three were "at least slightly" in the post you quoted.

* And while that certainly isn't untrue, even with all that education, the media and pundits are still frequently incorrect in the conclusions they draw and/or repeat and wish into existence. Just look at how they utterly dismissed Trump and Bernie early on.

* We can agree on your last point, and I definitely look forward to seeing the real polls. I'm confident that the GP's reaction will run counter to that of the mainstream media. Not saying he will magically lead Hillary in the national or anything yet, but the MSM's narrative that Hillary "dominated" and "eclipsed Bernie" will not be reflected in public opinion.

I haven't paid much attention to Rubio (so I really doubt the generally less politically inclined GP has with Trump dominating the headlines on the right), but he seems like an extremely weak, un-charismatic candidate. His style is that of the rehearsed politician, but not even good at it like a Hillary or a Barack. The best way I could describe him is a little boy playing dress up, and pretending to run for president. He probably would have done better in past elections.

Yeah, immigration has always been an issue associated with latinos, but never to the degree that it is in this election as far as I can remember. And IIRC that all started with Trump's Mexican comments. I just dislike how that issue seems to be the "poster boy" for latinos in this election cycle, when there are millions of us born here, whom immigration directly affects as much as a white American... and millions of us who have other issues, like poverty and higher unemployment rates that need to be addressed, for example. Not saying Bernie or Hillary don't have those latter two issues as part of their platforms to varying degrees, just that it would be nice if those things were touched on in the "what will you do for latinos?" "how will you win the hispanic vote" discussions more instead of jumping straight to immigration.

Can you remind me of the context of these comments? Because I remember them, and not having a problem with the context in which he said it - again, I don't remember exactly, but I think he didn't say they were unique as in good/special, just that the negative experiences and subsequent institutionalized disadvantages of black Americans was unlike that of any other group in US history, which is mostly true.

Or maybe the rest of us could decide to not let a small state decide the election for all of us.

Can someone refresh my memory as to what happened late September that Bernie and Hillary were tied in Iowa, then Bernie lost like 10 points and Hill gained all of that? It definitely looks like there was some sort of incident, but I genuinely can't remember. Hillary's SNL appearance? Did #BlackLivesMatter crash him again?

Hillary has been campaigning in Iowa non stop since he got close.

Webb came as oaf-ish and is a Dixiecrat through and through. He has no chance of doing anything but maybe his more rightish policies help make the Democrat party look more open to different ideas and ideologies. He'll probably drop out before or right after the next debate but it was great seeing people of many different ideologies debate respectfully.

It kinda will tho.

There's obviously no written law and everyone will vote how they personally feel, but the Iowa Caucus is generally pretty significantly important for the nominations.

Why do I feel like her ass been in Iowa long before Bernie was a threat tho?

~ It's good that's not what I said, then! We can just drop it, it's whatever to me.

~ I just don't think a single one is either indicative of greater sentiments or has a Bernie lead that really makes a difference.

~ The media can be very wrong, yes - but in this case, the media's conclusion can become almost a self-fulfilling prophecy. Some of the most read articles all day were those proclaiming Hillary as the victor of the debate, and that will influence people.

~ This is where I think we disagree most. Hillary is on an upward trend and has been for nearly a month now, while Bernie has been precipitously losing steam. Bernie's peak and Hillary's valley both topped out around Sept. 20th. This might stop or even reverse that trend for Bernie, but I personally expect Hillary to continue to rise in light of her very strong performance.

It can be fixed though. Democrats can let several states vote at the same time to reign in the impact or people in other states don't have to vote the same as the others before it.

She has, she's going hard here.

She was all over long before. When he was on her $600 edges she had to make it known... I lost this state in 08, Dont play with me Bernie, I'm not losing to an independent democratic socialist.

The problem is that Iowa state law prohibits that; the caucus has to take place 8(?) days prior to any similar primary process in the entire country.

While I would certainly be fine with people not basing their assumptions on Iowa, I just know it's kind of inevitable for at least this cycle.

Imagine if she loses Iowa and NH. Juicy

Who is Chanel btw? Have you gone by a different username?

She can still win NH... a tear is essential tho