Let’s start with Paris Hilton’s “Stars Are Blind.”
What I thought was, “Okay, here’s Paris Hilton,” and she’s become a good friend of mine. At the time, she was at the height of her fame, and there was a lot of resentment. There’s fall out, because sometimes that lifestyle can come across the wrong way to the underprivileged and the disenfranchised. It’s understandable. I knew she was a really kind person. There’s a reality that people don’t see. I’m like, “I have to make her likable to everybody.”
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I’ve got to show that a song can change perspectives. A great song heals all. I also wanted to prove that she could sing. No auto tune was used in the making of that record. I had her sing the song every day for two months. Even if it was 10 minutes, 30 minutes she’d come in and do a line, or come in and do a verse. I had her doing different passes. Because she wasn’t an experienced singer, I had to create the dynamics of that story. Not artificially, but by selection. It’s like painting a canvas. It’s her voice, and her talent, but I’m just kind of orchestrating.
I think “Quicksand” and “Amnesia” were two of the best songs from Britney Spears’ Circus era. How did they end up as bonus tracks?
Here’s what happened. I thought they were good songs. The thing is, I don’t think they were aligned with the brand or the direction of the album, but they were good. I mean, they felt they wanted it to be a part of it, but they didn’t fit the circus theme of the album. I think that’s what happened.
What’s your favorite Gaga song?
It’s so hard. With Born This Way, I had the mindset that we were writing a musical, or telling a story about a disenfranchised person or disenfranchised community. We were fighting for equality, for gay rights, for immigration, the rights of immigrants. It was always about telling the struggle, and showing that we can triumph over the struggle. If I were to pick a favorite, believe it or not, it would probably be “Americano.”
There was this big situation, I think it was happening at the Southern border, and it had to do with people getting hurt — protesters and immigrants. She loves the Mexican community, or the Latin community, I should say, in general. She was inspired by what they were going through, and I was deeply moved by what was happening, as well, and I think it was more like a middle finger to the people that were hurting these protesters. That’s what was translated. It was all heart, and all real.
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With her, it’s a lot more about navigating alongside with her. It’s about taking my ego out of the equation and substituting that with who she is. That was a real discipline. Some artists could use a bit more of your ego, and your style, but that was more about, “How can I make this better? How can I be an asset to this environment?” I’m a songwriter, she’s a songwriter. So, a lot of the nuggets and the songs are from her heart. You know, I’m an passenger on that journey.
With “Edge Of Glory” we were both going through something sad at the same time. My grandpa died. I took a leave. I was touring with her for about three years on and off, working on music and just writing with her. My grandfather passed away, who was a big, big influence in my life. He passed away a month prior to writing this song.
I left tour to go bury my grandfather in Mexico, and when I came back, unfortunately the same thing happened to her. She had a conversation with her grandfather who passed away and I don’t want to paraphrase her, but it ended up being incorporated into the lyrics — standing on the edge of glory, being at the edge of your life and being triumphant. “I did it my way.” You know what I mean? For my part, it was an ode to my grandfather, and for her it was an ode to her grandfather.
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