Originally posted by kyogul

you clearly didn't, and you still don't get it now. the entire point of my saying that was to showcase how stupid it was--and here you are taking it seriously. that's enough proof to show you didn't get the message

and you may consider it sensitive, but I don't, nor do I have to. I see no problems with black women relaxing their hair; it's their choice. But in rebuttal to the stupid logic of white girl wearing a popular black style = appropriating, then the same line of thinking can be used vice versa (for blacks). Sorry to say but, your feelings don't null this.



Except it is comparable. You've done nothing in this post except list more reasons--which I was already aware of--and have yet to actually get to the point. Black women do it for a plethora of reasons, such as wanting to be seen as more acceptable and to have hair that's easier to deal with. That's all fine and dandy because it's their choice. But why can't this white girl have dreadlocks so she can feel closer to her religion?

The thing about decisions is that it's ok for them to be superficial; not all of them need this grandiose underlying purpose behind them to be "valid". Even if this girl wasn't doing it for religious reasons, I'd still advocate for her because it's her ****ing decision. Her wanting dreadlocks to feel closer to her religion is no more vain than a black girl relaxing her hair because so she can take care of it more easily.

Originally posted by Ascension

You assumed the "Black" part in the comment about appropriation when it never had anything to do with this particular situation to begin with so that point is moot, anyway. The original person that made the association made no comment as to whose culture was being adapted -- you took it upon yourself to connect those dots to Black people and culture.

Originally posted by Ascension

Maybe I need to do some research and read up on how people that don't have naturally kinky/curly hair with locs/dreads get their hair in that state, because the assumptions I make gross me out a bit. It just seems filthy and matted to me on someone whose hair doesn't coil and doesn't have the ability to lock into itself without something else in it to keep it bound together. Oh and she looks ridiculous tbh.

Originally posted by kyogul

lol. it's widely associated, in the black community at large and on this forum even that dreadlocks are "owned" by black people. it's not the first time people have harped on a non-POC for having dreads either and called them out for "trying to be black". It happened with Kylie Jenner and that 12 year old girl on Twitter who got unnecessarily mauled for it.

Originally posted by Eternium

The same way anybody else does. There's like 10 different ways to get dreadlocks. Judging from her bangs, though, she probably just neglected her hair. If she didn't, she sure as hell isn't washing them like she should.

Originally posted by Ascension

And? The person you quoted just noted it was appropriation in general; not who. You read something and based your response around an assumption and you're trying to make it seem as if the conversation only took that turn toward Black hair because of what the person you responded to stated when you did that all on your own. You were the first person to even mention Black hair at all in this thread.

Originally posted by Brite Lites ☆

Screaming at all those white tears

Originally posted by Corsola

Appropriating? How? You do realize that dreadlocks are a sacred hairstyle in the Hindu religion, right? And that hindus, including non-black hindus, have been wearing dreads since the 16th century or before that? Oh, but she's white. So obviously she's appropriating an african hairstyle that was also used by hindus, correct?

Originally posted by kyogul

since you want to play the game of assumption here, how do you know that he wasn't talking about blacks, especially when hairstyles of this calibre (dreadlocks, boxbraids, etc.) are generally considered "black" by black people, as seen by the link I gave you?

Originally posted by Ascension

I don't know, never purported to know and that wasn't the point -- I'm talking about everything that was actually presented. The point was that the person you quoted gave no specific example of any culture nor had anyone else in this thread prior to yourself mention anything but the aspect of Hindu culture that the girl stated she was practicing, but took it upon yourself to make an example that had nothing to do with anything being discussed in this thread based on your own assumption.

Originally posted by kyogul

and the point is that you're assuming that he wasn't talking about black people. You see where you're getting at here? You tried "trapping" me in my "fallacy" for assuming when you're also doing the same thing. it's a case of devil's proof dear, one I have no problems taking since I'm sure I'm right. In American culture at least, hairsyles like this are widely considered to be of black people, even though that's false. You getting in technicalities doesn't make my point moot, for as an assumption can have basis. I already provided you mine. Now, where's your basis for your counter: that he wasn't talking about black people?

Originally posted by Ascension

The point in my observation was that the person that initially made the remark about appropriation never made it into a specific thing; just that she was appropriating and everyone that responded made an assumption about what that person was talking about without first requesting clarification. It doesn't matter whether I know exactly what or who he had in mind when that wasn't even the point of my comment to begin with. My point was that NOBODY knew what he had in mind yet responded and took the conversation in an unnecessary and unrelated direction based on their own assumptions of what he was saying.

Originally posted by kyogul

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so aside from your complaining, you had nothing else to offer in your post

i'm not the first to mention the black context either, so the thread was already geared towards that way since, you know, blacks tend to associate this hairstyle with this culture and that's what it's come to be known as to other people.

let me rephrase this in a way you may understand

as i mentioned before about this being a game of devil's proof, here's how I'd illustrate it

we're in an alley and we see a covered box that we know has a cat in it. Is the cat dead or alive? No one really knows until you open that box, so either answer of "alive" and "dead" is an assumption. But let's say there's blood around the box. What does this suggest? That the cat is dead, but technically that's not absolute proof. However, it is suggesting proof. In this scenario you're the person saying the cat is alive and I'm the one saying he's dead. I already explained that the more-likely context is that he was talking about black people, whereas you have no indicators to show yours. Until that box is opened, the conclusion is more favourable to me than you unless you can showcase otherwise (which you have yet to).

this "debate" can end since it's not going in any interesting direction. toodles

Originally posted by Ascension

No my point was that had no place in the discussion at hand and still doesn't while you were trying to blame the pointlessness of your comparison on something that was never even stated by the person you responded to in the first place.

And a Schrodinger's cat theory analogy? Really? If that was a fitting analogy (even with the altogether inaccurate rendition of the theory complete with a "clue" outside of the box ), your proverbial "blood around the box" would be the fact that it was already stated in the story that the girl was adapting a practice of Hindu culture, so what you're claiming would be a valid lead in to the comparison you pulled in still makes no sense. Toodles!

Originally posted by KyIe

Please just stop. Your entire argument was your pitiful attempt in claiming that kyogul was perpetuating black stereotypes by his "connecting the dots". The whole discussion initiated in the conversation about how black women's hair is much more unmanageable than other races hair. You're reaching at something that isn't there and its pathetic.

Originally posted by Wonderlust

tfw when you wanna be Hindu but your school be like Hindno