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Poll: Should we stop coming out?
View Poll Results: Should we stop coming out?
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
Posts: 10,487
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No i love seeing all the hot guys who are gay and coming out
But on a serious note, No. The thing is gay/non-straight people are a minority and for the most part will remain so in future. So it will always be that gay is an alternate and not the default , so people will always have to declare it, its just the way the world is.
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Member Since: 9/8/2009
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The title is a mess but I do understand the sentiment behind it. At this point the act of "coming out" the way it's most commonly expected to happen (working up the courage to confess your gayness to somebody that might reject you) is incredibly degrading. It's as if you're confessing your "sin" to someone and humbling yourself before their judgment of your sexuality. If you feel like you have to do that, you must not think very highly of yourself. There is nothing wrong with you and you don't need to make yourself vulnerable in front of any straight person who would never feel like they had to do that to have their sexuality validated.
I never "came out" traditionally. I just started living my life and people found out on their own. Date a guy publicly and let the chips fall where they may. If you don't like me on the basis of my sexuality, burn tbh. I don't need you any more than you need me.
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Originally posted by Tymps.
It is people's business  Sexual and romantic relationships are a huge part of life and also a huge point in conversation, for example. Are you just going to avoid every single question about it because it's not anyone's business? Good luck living life. What if a girl asks you out? Are you just going to say "No, you're not my type" because it's not her business if you're gay? It's just stupid reasoning. I know I already had this debate in another thread a while back but whether you like it or not being gay is a bigger part of you than, say, eye color, or what flavour of ice cream you prefer. If you want proof, there's a million ATRL threads pertaining to being gay.
Also, I firmly believe that the first time you mention being gay to anyone is coming out. You don't introduce your boyfriend to your family instead of coming out because that IS coming out.
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I get where you're coming from but you have to understand that the phrase "coming out", for most people, paints a specific image of someone sitting their loved ones down and breaking the news to them in some kind of confessional ritual. I'm opposed to that remaining as the norm because it suggests that we have to submit to other peoples' judgments. When girls hit on me I say "sorry, I like guys" and that's that. It is coming out, in effect, but not in a way that puts you on trial.
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Member Since: 3/2/2014
Posts: 328
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Yes. Just stop restricting your actions and behave the way you want to. If someone asks if you are gay then say yes. I hate the stigma involved with coming out. It's like confirming that you were hiding it and ashamed, but really it's about going through a process of learning to feel comfortable about yourself.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
Posts: 9,438
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Yes
It's no one's business but yours, why do you need to come out to strangers? So they can ''blacklist you'' in their stupid ignorant mind? I think the actual society doesn't deserve to know the private life of each of their members.
If you wanna talk about it to someone close is a different case. But that is up to you.
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Member Since: 1/18/2012
Posts: 348
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Yes.
I tell everyone who asks about my sexuality that I'm gay, but I don't feel the need to make a big deal out of it. If I ever get in a relationship I will change my relation status on facebook, but I will never post ''I'm GAY' . There's just no reason to, who cares?
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
Posts: 30,915
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Originally posted by sal
Yes.
I tell everyone who asks about my sexuality that I'm gay, but I don't feel the need to make a big deal out of it. If I ever get in a relationship I will change my relation status on facebook, but I will never post ''I'm GAY' . There's just no reason to, who cares?
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that is coming out 
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Member Since: 4/28/2012
Posts: 37,654
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I've had this thought quite often. I don't think coming out should be a thing.
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Member Since: 7/12/2010
Posts: 9,704
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Coming out videos make me cringe. They're so self absorbed.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
Posts: 10,527
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Coming out isn't about asking the world to accept you, it's about telling the world "this is who I am, like it or not" in spite of the fact that they might not. I feel like it's important so that someone around you may be able to see that and think he or she isn't alone.
It's all a matter of personal interpretation and choice.
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Member Since: 2/28/2012
Posts: 12,605
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Originally posted by sal
Yes.
I tell everyone who asks about my sexuality that I'm gay, but I don't feel the need to make a big deal out of it. If I ever get in a relationship I will change my relation status on facebook, but I will never post ''I'm GAY' . There's just no reason to, who cares?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 21,331
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Originally posted by ShouldersSideways
Coming out isn't about asking the world to accept you, it's about telling the world "this is who I am, like it or not" in spite of the fact that they might not. I feel like it's important so that someone around you may be able to see that and think he or she isn't alone.
It's all a matter of personal interpretation and choice.
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this
I don't understand what "not coming out" even means
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
Posts: 10,662
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Originally posted by A Muse
The title is a mess but I do understand the sentiment behind it. At this point the act of "coming out" the way it's most commonly expected to happen (working up the courage to confess your gayness to somebody that might reject you) is incredibly degrading. It's as if you're confessing your "sin" to someone and humbling yourself before their judgment of your sexuality. If you feel like you have to do that, you must not think very highly of yourself. There is nothing wrong with you and you don't need to make yourself vulnerable in front of any straight person who would never feel like they had to do that to have their sexuality validated.
I never "came out" traditionally. I just started living my life and people found out on their own. Date a guy publicly and let the chips fall where they may. If you don't like me on the basis of my sexuality, burn tbh. I don't need you any more than you need me.
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Brilliantly stated
I totally subscribe to the same philosophy. The only "traditional" coming out I did was to may parents. Everyone else found out naturally (I live at gay clubs lol), and many still don't know. At first I was going to come out to everyone, but then it began to strike me as such a weak bitch kind of move, as if I'm confessing some dark secret, hoping that they approve.
And it's not that serious. I never had much of a struggle with my sexuality so the thought of portraying myself as someone who does became unappealing. And all of this is before mentioning the implication that being gay is somehow something "wrong", on some level.
The only benefits I see of "coming out", is if you are doing it because you need to confide in somebody, and find support. And there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's pretty brave. But I would rethink it if you plan on doing it out of some sort of societal expectation of gays giving "full disclosure" lol.
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by ShouldersSideways
Coming out isn't about asking the world to accept you, it's about telling the world "this is who I am, like it or not" in spite of the fact that they might not. I feel like it's important so that someone around you may be able to see that and think he or she isn't alone.
It's all a matter of personal interpretation and choice.
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I agree with this too.
Being visible is certainly one of the benefits of coming out. But the implications of different ways of coming out is really subjective.
Imo, it expresses much more power if you come out by simply living your life. Date guys, support gay rights, post pro-gay stuff on your social media accounts. People get the picture instantly, and there's never the slight implication of asking for approval.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 34,855
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So long as there is a closet to come out of (i.e. a world where heterosexuality is considered the true, default sexual orientation, where everyone is just presumed to be straight until proven otherwise, and where there's no stigma attached to being gay), coming out will always be necessary.
There seems to be some misunderstanding here on what coming out means. It isn't necessarily shouting "I'm gay" from every rooftop to everyone who will listen. Just telling one person that you're in fact not straight is coming out. As has been said, unless you plan to either get a beard or sit at home alone every day and dodge every question relating to your sexuality (which isn't nearly as private of a matter to most people as some of you seem to think it is), you're probably going to need to do it at some point. It doesn't have to be some extravagant event.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Sazare
So long as there is a closet to come out of (i.e. a world where heterosexuality is considered the true, default sexual orientation, where everyone is just presumed to be straight until proven otherwise, and where there's no stigma attached to being gay), coming out will always be necessary.
There seems to be some misunderstanding here on what coming out means. It isn't necessarily shouting "I'm gay" from every rooftop to everyone who will listen. Just telling one person that you're in fact not straight is coming out. As has been said, unless you plan to either get a beard or sit at home alone every day and dodge every question relating to your sexuality (which isn't nearly as private of a matter to most people as some of you seem to think it is), you're probably going to need to do it at some point. It doesn't have to be some extravagant event.
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This, too. I think a lot of people think if we stop coming out we will be assimilated into society and normalized but the reality is that within our lifetimes we are always going to be considered "other." I feel it even with my straight friends who are wonderful and accepting people. We are different, plain and simple. We are at the forefront of a time in history where the tide is changing; we won't get to reap the rewards to their fullest but hopefully further generations will because we all decided to come out in one way or another.
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