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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Adonis
A first term president isn't specific. Obama wasn't specific during his first run for president. That's for sure.
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Really so taking more then 2 years to pass Obamacare wasn't specific enough for you? He had no time left to do anything else after because he lost his super majority due to it. He had a short time after that; then he had to start preparing to run for his next term.
Yes it was on his platform he started talking about it around Jan 2007.
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Originally posted by Chucko
Really so taking more then 2 years to pass Obamacare wasn't specific enough for you? He had no time left to do anything else after because he lost his super majority due to it. He had a short time after that; then he had to start preparing to run for his next term.
Yes it was on his platform he started talking about it around Jan 2007.
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Yeah, but that wasn't a super-specific laid out bullet-ed pointed platform either for what exactly he would do for Obamacare. It was basically written in office, and most people didn't care specifically what he meant by healthcare reform anyways.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Yeah, but that wasn't a super-specific laid out bullet-ed pointed platform either for what exactly he would do for Obamacare. It was basically written in office, and most people didn't care specifically what he meant by healthcare reform anyways.
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Well we aren't going to get fully fleshed out bills from these candidates either. He did say he was going to have healthcare for all within 6 years. I don't need a bullet point to know what that means.
Just like Hillary saying she wants free public and community colleges. There is only one way that is going to get paid for and it's not going to the people not paying taxes. It will be yet another government entitlement program. It will do nothing to rein in the cost of going to these schools, instead they probably will just raise the cost of the classes because they now a have a money stream that is guaranteed. The tax payer.
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Originally posted by Chucko
Well we aren't going to get fully fleshed out bills from these candidates either. He did say he was going to have healthcare for all within 6 years. I don't need a bullet point to know what that means.
Just like Hillary saying she wants free public and community colleges. There is only one way that is going to get paid for and it's not going to the people not paying taxes. It will be yet another government entitlement program. It will do nothing to rein in the cost of going to these schools, instead they probably will just raise the cost of the classes because they now a have a money stream that is guaranteed. The tax payer.
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Naw man..you didn't know...the government prints magic money! 
Of course colleges are going to raise the cost...it basically gives them a blank check to charge whatever they want.
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Joe Biden and Aides 'Calling Around' About Potential 2016 Run
Vice President Joe Biden is spending part of his South Carolina vacation calling close friends to discuss a potential 2016 run, a longtime Democratic operative and a source close to Biden who had an extensive phone call with him this week confirmed to NBC News.
Biden is not calling people asking "if" he should run, but saying, "I am thinking about it but I'm also thinking about Beau," according to a source close to Biden. His son Beau Biden passed away in May after a lengthy battle with brain cancer.
The source who got a call from Biden this week said, "I think he is doing the analysis and homework."
But added: "I can't emphasize this enough: He is distraught over Beau's passing and working through the grief."
Aides are also "calling around" to Democratic operatives about a 2016 run. The calls were first reported by the Wall Street Journal.
The Biden confidant said before the vice president can run, he would have to get through that hurdle and he's just not through it yet. The source says Biden is asking those closest to him what a campaign would look like if he gets through this hurdle.
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I love Joe Biden. Like I LOVE Joe Biden. He's probably my favorite politician, along with Hillary. I kind of don't want him to run just for the sake of not having to choose between the two.
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Originally posted by Giselle
I love Joe Biden. Like I LOVE Joe Biden. He's probably my favorite politician, along with Hillary. I kind of don't want him to run just for the sake of not having to choose between the two. |
If Joe runs who is he going to pull votes from Bernie or Hillary?
Seeing that you are conflicted, my guess is Hillary. Bernie might have a chance to win if all 3 are in the race.
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Originally posted by Chucko
If Joe runs who is he going to pull votes from Bernie or Hillary?
Seeing that you are conflicted, my guess is Hillary. Bernie might have a chance to win if all 3 are in the race.
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This is actually another concern of mine. Joe and Hillary would be the two establishment candidates with Bernie catering to the super-libs. Joe could end up splitting Hillary's vote, clearing the way for Bernie.
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Originally posted by Chucko
If Joe runs who is he going to pull votes from Bernie or Hillary?
Seeing that you are conflicted, my guess is Hillary. Bernie might have a chance to win if all 3 are in the race.
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Originally posted by Giselle
This is actually another concern of mine. Joe and Hillary would be the two establishment candidates with Bernie catering to the super-libs. Joe could end up splitting Hillary's vote, clearing the way for Bernie. |
If that's the case...by all means Joe, enter the race! 
If Bernie wins the nomination; the GOP could nominate a "Chia Pet", and it would still beat Bernie in the general election.
Americans will never vote for a socialist president. 
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First there was a rumor that Gore wanted to give it a go and now there's talk that his aides denied that he wanted to run.
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Originally posted by Chucko
If Joe runs who is he going to pull votes from Bernie or Hillary?
Seeing that you are conflicted, my guess is Hillary. Bernie might have a chance to win if all 3 are in the race.
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Originally posted by Giselle
This is actually another concern of mine. Joe and Hillary would be the two establishment candidates with Bernie catering to the super-libs. Joe could end up splitting Hillary's vote, clearing the way for Bernie. |
I also think Bernie stands to lose some of his support as well. There's at least a small-but-worth-mentioning portion of it which consists of people turned off from Hillary and wanting any OTHER candidate to support, and Bernie is (until now) the only alternative. Because for some odd reason liberals are encourage to be "moderate", while the republican party shifts further right with each election, I feel like a lot of voters will pull back their support for a "moderate"/establishment option, especially without the negative press associated with Hillary. I think Bernie's change in favorability shows that a lot of people do support him and his policies, but Biden would probably make it hard to call as a 3-way race. But yeah, I agree it would do more damage to Hillary's campaign, especially with Bernie catching up to her in a few states (granted in this early polling stage, but still).
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I wouldn't be the happiest if Biden got the Democratic vote but I do prefer him over Hilary. At this point I want him to run so he can either win or just split the moderate vote so the progressives can elect Sanders. 
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The top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee defended Hillary Clinton’s email practices on Thursday, saying media reports about classified information on the former secretary of state’s server did not make clear that Clinton hadn’t written any of the “top secret” emails.
Two days after an inspector general said it found “top secret” information on Clinton’s unsecured email server, Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California accused news reports of “missing key points.” For example: “none of the emails alleged to contain classified information were written by Secretary Clinton,” she said — nor were they marked as “top secret” at the time they were sent.
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“The questions are whether she received emails with classified information in them, and if so, whether information in those emails should have been classified in the first place,” Feinstein said. “Those questions have yet to be answered. However, it is clear that Secretary Clinton did not write emails containing classified information.”
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Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr
Because for some odd reason liberals are encourage to be "moderate", while the republican party shifts further right with each election
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Politicians in this country on both sides are overwhelmingly bought by corporations that don't want actual liberals, so most American politicans on the left would appear centrist or even right in many countries.
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Claire McCaskill is kinda ruthless 
Read this. Scandal teas.
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My thoughts on all the frontrunners so far,
Hillary is unexciting (i like her college restructuring proposals though, i MAY give her a chance if it ends up feasible). Otherwise, she has nothing other than the fact that she's running as a woman.
Trump is all bombast and no ideas (which is crazy cuz he went to UPenn, he's one of the greatest real estate developers of our time, he's a brilliant economist...he SHOULD have policy on his fingertips) yet he has no specifics and all his talking points revolve around insulting Mexicans and China.
He knows his politics well though. Feed the masses vague slogans and appeal to their hearts, not their minds.
I like Bernie Sanders (his debt free college plan especially) but he's way too old, weak and frail for me to take seriously. Couldn't hold his own against two (or 3?) screaming black girls.
Jeb Bush is a black hole of charisma with recycled ideas and Bush family baggage. Anyone who supports this joke is stupid. And i'm from FL. This is not 3rd world Swaziland, ENOUGH with the family dynasties.
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Joe Biden said to be considering one-term presidency
If Vice President Joe Biden makes the leap into the Democratic presidential race, he could promise that he would serve just one term in the White House, journalist and author Carl Bernstein said Friday.
“And one thing that I keep hearing about Biden is that if he were to declare and say, because age is such a problem for him if he does, I want to be a one-term president. I want to serve for four years, unite Washington. I’ve dealt with the Republicans in Congress all my public life,” Bernstein told CNN’s “New Day.”
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“I think there’s a conversation going on to that effect among his aides and friends,” he said. “It could light fire to the current political environment.”
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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...#ixzz3io4A5o9n
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With his blessing, confidants to Vice President Joe Biden have begun strategizing about travel to early primary states and identified potential donors who could bankroll a campaign even as he remains undecided about whether to pull the trigger on a late-entry 2016 run for president.
The moves are a sign that after months of speculation, Biden is taking a few significant if small steps toward a presidential campaign, according to sources familiar with the discussions. Biden’s strategy, the sources say, would be to focus on South Carolina while almost writing off New Hampshire, where both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have considerable footholds.
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Biden proxies have also homed in on rich supporters who could help finance a run through a super PAC — in particular, Baltimore Orioles owner Peter Angelos, a past top donor to both Joe and Beau Biden, whom Democratic operatives noted has not yet given to the Hillary Clinton-backing Priorities USA Action despite previous support for the former secretary of state. Biden allies also have set their sights on Geocities founder and tech investor David Bohnett, a longtime Democratic donor. Angelos didn’t return a call for comment.
News reports in recent days have focused on a handful of more casual conversations Biden had while on vacation earlier this week on Kiawah Island in South Carolina. Meanwhile, there is significant operational planning going on around him. He still has not set a time frame for a final decision — though it could come within weeks, or he may yet stretch the “end of summer” deadline he talked about earlier this year.
Biden’s aware of the pressure to make a decision, the sources say. The final call — as well as a discussion on particulars, like chatter about making a pledge to limit a presidency to one term — is expected to be made at a meeting of the vice president’s closest circle of advisers at his home in Wilmington, Delaware; they include chief of staff Steve Ricchetti, Mike Donilon, former Sen. Ted Kaufman, Ron Klain, Larry Rasky and Tom Donilon, along with Biden’s son, Hunter, and his oldest and closest political adviser, his sister Valerie Biden Owens. Richetti and Mike Donilon have been involved with many of the discussions going on already.
So far, that meeting has not been scheduled.
CHARLOTTE, NC - SEPTEMBER 06: Democratic vice presidential candidate, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden on stage as attendees hold signs that read 'Ready For Joe' and 'Fired Uo' during the final day of the Democratic National Convention at Time Warner Cable Arena on September 6, 2012 in Charlotte, North Carolina. The DNC, which concludes today, nominated U.S. President Barack Obama as the Democratic presidential candidate. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
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“People dismissed it for reasons I don’t really truly understand, but he has a core following of people,” said one former Biden staffer who is in contact with the vice president and his team. “He has support out in the community. He relates to people.”
Meanwhile, Biden’s circle has identified what they see as their potential voting blocs: Reagan Democrats, Jews, an LGBT base that largely credits him with pushing President Barack Obama into supporting gay marriage, and Rust Belt voters. They believe he’ll benefit from better stump skills than any of the other candidates running.
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...#ixzz3ipgGkfQR
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What annoys me about the Joe/Hillary thing is that this is both of their last chance. Neither of them can ever run again. This is it 
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Trump just annihilated Hillary and Jeb in a New Hampshire press conference 
Loose cannon to end all loose cannons and I'm living for every second of it
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Originally posted by Damien M
I like Bernie Sanders (his debt free college plan especially) but he's way too old, weak and frail for me to take seriously. Couldn't hold his own against two (or 3?) screaming black girls.
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Or he knew that cutting him off would result in endless cries of "racism!!!!" despite him being the most pro-BLM candidate.
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