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Discussion: #AllLivesMatter is accurate now
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Originally posted by shelven
If you're saying #AllLivesMatter is just as accurate, then I DON'T think you get why #BlackLivesMatter was created. It wasn't just created because a bunch of people who suffered police brutality all happened to be black - it was because the brutality was happening BECAUSE they were black, and therefore it was a much bigger social issue than a few individual cases. The white man who suffered police brutality in this case didn't suffer it because he was white or because our general society has appeared to deem mistreating white people okay.
If your issue is simply about police brutality, that's a valid issue. But despite that, it's STILL not a reason to use #AllLivesMatter, because when you use that, you're effectively saying that all races are being mistreated equally, which is completely untrue. This kind of brutality and injustice is happening to black people far more than white people and, more importantly, for far different reasons. So you bringing one case involving a white man doesn't change that.
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But then it would be #AllRacesTreatedEqually... But it's not; it's #AllLivesMatter.
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Honestly Yeah. Its no big deal, its just a phrase
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Originally posted by beautiful player
It's not just about white people.
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White people are the most pressed about it tho? i.e: This thread
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Member Since: 3/16/2012
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Originally posted by beautiful player
#AllLivesMatter does not serve to invalidate oppression or police brutality faced by African-Americans.
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You've twisted the argument black people created regarding the hashtag. Rude.
If white people want to fight against police brutality against they should start their own hashtag or movement that isn't hijacking or stealing from what #BlackLivesMatter has accomplished.
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MLD is getting scalpedT from left to right
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Originally posted by shelven
As a white person myself, I find it extremely hard to understand why so many white people are so obsessed with making sure that everything includes them. Like is it really THAT frustrating that everybody already presumes your life matters and therefore it would be completely pointless to remind people of it? Whenever I see #AllLivesMatter or #WhiteLivesMatter, I just read it as the person saying "Hey, no fair! Why does everybody else get to suffer discrimination and injustice but I don't!?" I mean just quit while you're ahead
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Basically
Yes, all lives matter but the hashtag is missing the point of the problem
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Originally posted by beautiful player
It's not just about white people.
Hispanic lives matter too. Gay lives and trans lives also matter. Muslim lives matter. Female lives matter.
#AllLivesMatter does not serve to invalidate oppression or police brutality faced by African-Americans.
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Pretty much this. And then everyone on here only brings up the caucasian race when defending #BlackLivesMatter. Like, the comments trashing don't make either side better because you leave out every other race and living being.
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Originally posted by shelven
If you're saying #AllLivesMatter is just as accurate, then I DON'T think you get why #BlackLivesMatter was created. It wasn't just created because a bunch of people who suffered police brutality all happened to be black - it was because the brutality was happening BECAUSE they were black, and therefore it was a much bigger social issue than a few individual cases. The white man who suffered police brutality in this case didn't suffer it because he was white or because our general society has appeared to deem mistreating white people okay.
If your issue is simply about police brutality, that's a valid issue. But despite that, it's STILL not a reason to use #AllLivesMatter, because when you use that, you're effectively saying that all races are being mistreated equally, which is completely untrue. This kind of brutality and injustice is happening to black people far more than white people and, more importantly, for far different reasons. So you bringing one case involving a white man doesn't change that.
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So what about the thousands of transgender people all around the world who face violence, discrimination and brutality not only from the police but from members of their own community? Countless innocent youth are being driven to suicide and drug abuse due to unbearable and intolerant living conditions.
Do their lives not matter? Should we ignore their cries for help because other minorities face it in higher numbers?
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Originally posted by chilicheese01
But then it would be #AllRacesTreatedEqually... But it's not; it's #AllLivesMatter.
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You've GOT to be joking #AllLivesMatter is "emerging" as a response to #BlackLivesMatter, which is a movement that is about racial mistreatment. So I'm worry the wording of the hashtag isn't clear enough for you, but it's the same thing.
Although thank you for proving my point that people who are trying to promote #AllLivesMatter have no clue what this issue is actually about and will just jump at any opportunity to make sure white people aren't excluded from something.
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it happens to everyone, but it happens to black people the most. that's really the entire point. i mean, i get that the intentions behind "alllivesmatter" are good, but it's missing that the point was to draw attention to an issue, not to say anyone's life matters more than anyone else's.
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We've already established long long time ago that MLD is kinda of retarded.
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Originally posted by shelven
If you're saying #AllLivesMatter is just as accurate, then I DON'T think you get why #BlackLivesMatter was created. It wasn't just created because a bunch of people who suffered police brutality all happened to be black - it was because the brutality was happening BECAUSE they were black, and therefore it was a much bigger social issue than a few individual cases. The white man who suffered police brutality in this case didn't suffer it because he was white or because our general society has appeared to deem mistreating white people okay.
If your issue is simply about police brutality, that's a valid issue. But despite that, it's STILL not a reason to use #AllLivesMatter, because when you use that, you're effectively saying that all races are being mistreated equally, which is completely untrue. This kind of brutality and injustice is happening to black people far more than white people and, more importantly, for far different reasons. So you bringing one case involving a white man doesn't change that.
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This!!!
And also #BlackLivesMatter is like trademarked, it's the "symbol" of the movement. Why change that? Use #PoliceBrutalitySucks to support this case. You don't need to change an entire movement just because "some other people get treated unfairly too"
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Originally posted by MusicLoverDude
Pretty much this. And then everyone on here only brings up the caucasian race when defending #BlackLivesMatter. Like, the comments trashing don't make either side better because you leave out every other race and living being.
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Educate us!
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Originally posted by MP2K
We've already established long long time ago that MLD is kinda of restarted.
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Originally posted by beautiful player
So what about the thousands of transgender people all around the world who face violence, discrimination and brutality not only from the police but from members of their own community? Countless innocent youth are being driven to suicide and drug abuse due to unbearable and intolerant living conditions.
Do their lives not matter? Should we ignore their cries for help because other minorities have it worse?
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wtf? that's not what anyone was saying at all. the point of the hashtag is "black lives matter as well", not "black lives matter only".
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MLD sis invest in education instead of escorts please.
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Originally posted by RainDreamer
Honestly Yeah. Its no big deal, its just a phrase
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Yeah, it's just a phrase for you.
For the people who created that hashtag and for the people whom that hashtag represents,
it's much much much more than "just a phrase". It's a cry for help.
It's a declaration of self-worth. It's a plea for justice.
It's something you will never understand.
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Originally posted by Jonna Lee
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Mes, that was a typo.
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That hashtag isn't happening, hun.
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Originally posted by beautiful player
It's not just about white people.
Hispanic lives matter too. Gay lives and trans lives also matter. Muslim lives matter. Female lives matter.
#AllLivesMatter does not serve to invalidate oppression or police brutality faced by African-Americans.
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All human lives matter but the point is that #blacklivesmatter is more than just a hashtag, it is a civil rights movement that seeks to address a specific issue. Intruding on that movement and trying to fight it just because you think it's not inclusive is nearsighted and obtuse. Trying to make these catch all statements about equality does nothing to actually save trans lives or female lives or dog lives. If you care so much about advocating for them then actually do it, don't just derail other discussions.
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