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Poll: Bigger era: 1989 vs. IASF
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View Poll Results: Bigger era:
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Taylor Swift - 1989
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Beyonce - I am... Sasha Fierce
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39.80% |
Member Since: 8/27/2011
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
This is so embarrassing 
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Yes, you are
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by taylor__fan
Well I live in Spain, but she will sell more WW, who cares where the sales come from?
In your logic if I sell 1 copy in each country of the world I'm the most global superstar ever 
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Selling 1m in 5 different countries (each) > selling 5m in the US
This is not difficult to understand 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
Selling 1m in 5 different countries (each) > selling 5m in the US
This is not difficult to understand 
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Selling 1M in 5 different countries each = selling 5M in the U.S.
It's not difficult to understand but it's literally going right over your head. 5 will never be greater than 5 no matter what you post, sis.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by Eternium
You completely missed what I said.
Selling 10M albums is selling 10M albums to 10M people. It doesn't matter if 100% of those people live in the U.S. or if 30% live in the U.S. and 70% live outside of the U.S. Why does a person only count if they live outside of the U.S.?
1989 is bigger than The Fame now  The Fame + Monster was considerably bigger but without the re-release, it's not as big as 1989.
Ahh, so the problem is you don't know the U.S. is part of the world!
The opposite of U.S. sales are sales outside of the U.S., not WW sales
Some Hearts would've been bigger than IA...SF if it had a higher TEAs/SEAs total.
And if 100k people buy your album just in the U.S., then you are bigger globally than someone who sells 50k albums to people from Japan, the U.K., Germany, South Africa, etc. Numbers are objective of man-made zoning distinctions. I don't understand how this is hard to grasp. Can you help me understand what it is that's going over your head?
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Honey, you can't say an album was more successful WW just because it was more successful in ONE/TWO countries
Yes, 1989 was bigger in the US/Oceania, but Sasha was more successful (and by a huge margin) outside of it (WW), therefore, it is more successful overall
You're basically saying this:
Being big in the US/AUS > being bigger WW (10+ countries)
And it's not true at all
Let's get out of the US perspective, both Stromae's album and Ultraviolence sold around 1.3m copies
90% of Stromae's sales came from France, whereas only 10% of Lana's sales came from the same country
which one is more successful WW (outside of France)?
The album that sold 100k, or the album that sold 900k? It's really not that difficult to understand
I literally just posted the top 10 music markets in the world and Sasha was more successful in 6/10 of them... but yall are trying to say that 1989 (4/10) is more successful because it was bigger in the US?
1989 has a good lead when it comes to US (around 2.1m) but Sasha also has a great lead when it comes to WW sales (2.6m)
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Member Since: 8/27/2011
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
Selling 1m in 5 different countries (each) > selling 5m in the US
This is not difficult to understand 
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No, but:
Selling 7.6M albums nowadays (and still selling 55K every week) >> Selling 7.5M in 2008
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Originally posted by taylor__fan
No, but:
Selling 7.6M albums nowadays (and still selling 55K every week) >> Selling 7.5M in 2008
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Selling 4m outside of the US and being more successful in 10 countries > selling 2.4m outside of the US and being more successful in 4 countries
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
Honey, you can't say an album was more successful WW just because it was more successful in ONE/TWO countries
Yes, 1989 was bigger in the US/Oceania, but Sasha was more successful (and by a huge margin) outside of it (WW), therefore, it is more successful overall
You're basically saying this:
Being big in the US/AUS > being bigger WW (10+ countries)
And it's not true at all
Let's get out of the US perspective, both Stromae's album and Ultraviolence sold around 1.3m copies
90% of Stromae's sales came from France, whereas only 10% of Lana's sales came from the same country
which one is more successful WW (outside of France)?
The album that sold 100k, or the album that sold 900k? It's really not that difficult to understand
I literally just posted the top 10 music markets in the world and Sasha was more successful in 6/10 of them... but yall are trying to say that 1989 (4/10) is more successful because it was bigger in the US?
1989 has a good lead when it comes to US (around 2.1m) but Sasha also has a great lead when it comes to WW sales (2.6m)
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You do realize 1989 also sold more in Canada, Japan, Mexico, China, Argentina, New Zealand, etc., too, right?
And selling 1.3M in one country is the same as selling 1.3M in 20 countries. 1.3M copies sold WW is equal to 1.3M copies sold WW. This is as simple as math gets and I cannot break it down for you further.
And "more successful WW (out of France)" are not the same thing. Lana and Stromae were equally successful WW however Lana was bigger outside of France. I don't think you're grasping the concept that "worldwide" includes every single country in the world.
IA...SF's WW sales are 100k lower than 1989's and 1989 is still selling  Yes, IA...SF has sold more outside of the U.S. but it still has lower global sales thus it sold less globally. What is not connecting here, sis? Help me help you.
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Taylor's era is bigger than Beyoncé's singles-wise and albums-wise, also with streaming but that's because of the growth in streaming since 2009 but we also should take in consideration sales have declined since then and 1989 still trumps IASF.
Not only that, but the tour will probably end up being bigger as well.
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Accordin to receipts and real world iasf >>>>>>>
1989 only on atrl >>>>
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Eternium
You do realize 1989 also sold more in Canada, Japan, Mexico, China, Argentina, New Zealand, etc., too, right?
And selling 1.3M in one country is the same as selling 1.3M in 20 countries. 1.3M copies sold WW is equal to 1.3M copies sold WW. This is as simple as math gets and I cannot break it down for you further.
And "more successful WW (out of France)" are not the same thing. Lana and Stromae were equally successful WW however Lana was bigger outside of France. I don't think you're grasping the concept that "worldwide" includes every single country in the world.
IA...SF's WW sales are 100k lower than 1989's and 1989 is still selling  Yes, IA...SF has sold more outside of the U.S. but it still has lower global sales thus it sold less globally. What is not connecting here, sis? Help me help you.
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It's a simple concept to grasp. The Hive is literally too lazy to pick up a book.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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IASF, I felt it bigger. Taylor hardly ever make any headlines where I live (Brazil)
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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It's like Eternium is talking to a brick wall 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by Eternium
You do realize 1989 also sold more in Canada, Japan, Mexico, China, Argentina, New Zealand, etc., too, right?
And selling 1.3M in one country is the same as selling 1.3M in 20 countries. 1.3M copies sold WW is equal to 1.3M copies sold WW. This is as simple as math gets and I cannot break it down for you further.
And "more successful WW (out of France)" are not the same thing. Lana and Stromae were equally successful WW however Lana was bigger outside of France. I don't think you're grasping the concept that "worldwide" includes every single country in the world.
IA...SF's WW sales are 100k lower than 1989's and 1989 is still selling  Yes, IA...SF has sold more outside of the U.S. but it still has lower global sales thus it sold less globally. What is not connecting here, sis? Help me help you.
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Whenever the word WW gets thrown here in ATRL it means outside of the US, it's a well known fact
Sasha outsold 1989 in way more countries (16) that 1989 outsold Sasha (10), and by a much bigger margin  , therefore, being more successful in more countries > being more successful in a couple of them
It's common sense 
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Originally posted by ClarksonSlays
It's like Eternium is talking to a brick wall 
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Slay! drag a bit henny!!1! Scalp ha!
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OT: Sasha was more successful as it was more global, obviously
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Originally posted by Squall
I LOVE Bey but let's not:
Albums sold in 2008: 1,491,000,000
Albums sold in 2014: 864,000,000
IASF: 4M
1989 sold 2,5M copies outside the US (so far...)
1989's 2008 adjusted sales (outside of the US): 4,4M
Bye.
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Period 
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
Slay! drag a bit henny!!1! Scalp ha!
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OT: Sasha was more successful as it was more global, obviously
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If we adjust 1989's 2015 (outside of the USA sales) to 2008's sales, 1989 is bigger than Sasha 
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IASF right now but 1989 can catch up
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