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Discussion: Should men have 2 pay ChildSupport if they dont want the kid
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You said 9.2 rounds up to 10.
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Originally posted by Me
the "9 month" typical definition is rounded from 9.2
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And there's no such thing as "pill failure"
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=can+birth+control+pills+fail
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We have all heard the reports about how women try to entrap men into marrying/paying child support by purposely refusing to take birth control
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And I'm not a father, so fail again
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Originally posted by Me
you and any deadbeat fathers
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And we know birth control prevents producing a child
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=can+birth+control+fail
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you have allowed your own emotional outbursts over your father walking out on you to cloud your common sense
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Lol you're ****ing pathetic for that. And no, sadly, the idiot is still in my life and pays.
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
But I can't imagine (being straight, for one) and going out in my youth, getting ****faced, blacking out and waking up with a 18-year long financial commitment for a decision that I don't even remember making.
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Look, like I said, the fact that a child could happen is not always at the front of everyone's mind - but on some level, everyone still knows.
Put yourself in that exact same situation, but with a girl whose parents or religion or even personal choice won't let her abort the pregnancy or put him up for adoption. Now imagine that the kid you're talking about isn't financially stable, but would be if you contributed about a quarter of your income or whatever the law mandates in your state/province/country.
That's part of why fathers have a social (and legal) obligation to pay. The other part is for all the other cases, when people like those described the poster who so strongly disagrees with me have a child but for whatever reason decide they don't want to pay, and screw over the mother and child.
Sure, some well-meaning, otherwise great individuals end up paying for a kid, but it kind of has to be that way if we're going to make any fathers (or absentee mothers, it happens) pay anything at all.
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This site sometimes 
I swear you guys get you HS diploma from the back of a cereal box
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Originally posted by Retro
Look, like I said, the fact that a child could happen is not always at the front of everyone's mind - but on some level, everyone still knows.
Put yourself in that exact same situation, but with a girl whose parents or religion or even personal choice won't let her abort the pregnancy or put him up for adoption. Now imagine that the kid you're talking about isn't financially stable, but would be if you contributed about a quarter of your income or whatever the law mandates in your state/province/country.
That's part of why fathers have a social (and legal) obligation to pay. The other part is for all the other cases, when people like those described the poster who so strongly disagrees with me have a child but for whatever reason decide they don't want to pay, and screw over the mother and child.
Sure, some well-meaning, otherwise great individuals end up paying for a kid, but it kind of has to be that way if we're going to make any fathers (or absentee mothers, it happens) pay anything at all.
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Nah you definitely make some great points and I agree with them completely. The only case where I think the father shouldn't pay, as I described in the OP, are the rare cases where the woman pricks the condom or she makes it explicitly clear that she would use the morning-after pill/get an abortion in the event that she got pregnant, even if she subsequently changed her mind. But like someone else said, that's "he said/she said" and is near impossible to prove.
It's so hard for me to empathise with people in those situations haha. Like I definitely get it, and I try to empathise with girls like that, but it's so hard to imagine myself being anti-choice. It's something I feel so strongly about.
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
Nah you definitely make some great points and I agree with them completely. The only case where I think the father shouldn't pay, as I described in the OP, is the rare cases when the woman pricks the condom or she makes it explicitly clear that she would use the morning after pill/get an abortion in the event that she got pregnant, even if she subsequently changed her mind. But like someone else said, that's "he said/she said" and is near impossible to prove.
It's so hard for me to empathise with people in those situations haha. Like I definitely get it, and I try to empathise with girls like that, but it's so hard to imagine myself being anti-choice. It's something I feel so strongly about.
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The difficulty of proving cases in which the mother maliciously sought impregnation is the biggest issue, I agree. If we could determine for sure somehow that this had happened, I'd agree the father has no obligation in that case.
I also understand being super pro-choice, but unfortunately I've known people in those situations where - usually because of outside pressures - they feel they honestly can't go through with an abortion or adoption, and the father refuses to pay anything
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This is one of the perks of being gay, no accidental pregnancies
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Rihinvention, did you get a girl pregnant? 
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Originally posted by niazkilam
This is one of the perks of being gay, no accidental pregnancies
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just accidental getting stuff you can't get rid of.
Don't spread your legs if you don't want to do the time.
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Lol like men already don't pay it if they don't want to. My mother has a friends whose ex-husband is very creative when it comes to avoid paying child support. He was working illegal before, now he's changing his job each three months, gets health insurance but don't have to pay child support because of the loop in the law.
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Originally posted by debutante
yes unless he chooses to sign away any and all rights to ever see the child. then the government should make up the difference
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This is exactly what I was thinking. I definitely wouldn't like to have a father who for 90% of time doesn't give a **** about me and seldom reminds himself about me. So if he doesn't want the kid he should either give away his parental rights or lose them when he fails to pay the child support.
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Originally posted by BeautifulFighter
Rihinvention, did you get a girl pregnant? |
Hell no hunty. I'm a Gold Star Gay.
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
Hell no hunty. I'm a Gold Star Gay.
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...otherwise known as BOTTOM.
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Originally posted by TasteOfYourLips
Lol like men already don't pay it if they don't want to. My mother has a friends whose ex-husband is very creative when it comes to avoid paying child support. He was working illegal before, now he's changing his job each three months, gets health insurance but don't have to pay child support because of the loop in the law.
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Bingo. My ex (I have a 12 year old girl) has not paid anything for the last 10 years cause he is on welfare. Now usually you still have to pay an x amount of money for your child but if you have debts that make you go under the threshold you don't. So what he does is take out stuff on pay so his monthly expenses go up. This way he already bought the newest playstation, 3D tv, PC's etc, my daughter tells me everything....
I haven't told her that he doesn't pay anything for her, that explanation he can do later himself when she is old enough to understand 
And.... to top it off, having the nerve to ask me where I got my car from (3 year old, paid cash cause I do not have any debts).... 
Still get annoyed thinking about it.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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He shouldn't have to pay for it if some stupid hoe decides to keep the baby
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Totally circumstantial. If he signs away his parental rights, no he should not. Otherwise, I think the man is obligated to offer some financial support to his children.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
He shouldn't have to pay for it if some stupid hoe decides to keep the baby
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But he put it there 
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I don't see why you wouldn't want to support your OWN child, whether or not you wanted one. But therefore I do think guys should have a say if the girl wants an abortion and he does not.
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Originally posted by GypsyLife
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And he would've paid for the abortion too.
I think the only cases where child support should be mandatory are cases of rape, divorce, and consensual sex without protection.
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Originally posted by Adonis
...otherwise known as BOTTOM.
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How does someone on this website not know my sexual position? I get ridiculed for talking about it too much
On-topic: men, child support, pregnancy, etc.
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One of the pro's of being gay 
No pregnancy ova chea
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