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News: "She's Been Black Since College" - Rachel Dolezal Parents
Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Ressti
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This seems more about sex than gender and doesn't really talk about gender roles.
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by Eternium
Her father abused her and is just now exposing her because she exposed him first.
I understand her faking her race is very big news and controversial in-and-of-itself, but people are literally letting a man get away with abuse because he dangled a less conventional story in front of their faces.
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!!! I didn't even think about this before but this is so true. The fact that everyone is ignoring this detail in favor of shaming her is kinda sad 
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
This seems more about sex than gender and doesn't really talk about gender roles.
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K, but I said
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There are physiological differences between a cis-man and a trans-woman. Yes, gender roles are social contructs, however gender is not a social construct.
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Gender = biological sexual characteristics. Femininity is innate (not just social, but biological), it's a set of behavioral characteristic, just like musculinity, that is associated with a certain sex.
Gender roles = How a person of a certain sex is expected to behave in society.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Ressti
K, but I said
Gender = biological sexual characteristics. Femininity is innate (not just social, but biological), it's a set of behavioral characteristic, just like musculinity.
Gender roles = How a person of a certain sex is expected to behave in society.
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But the discussion is about the latter. I really don't want to seem like I'm hating on transgender people. I just fail to see the link with feeling like a woman (for whatever reason), and a biological basis for conforming to societies gender roles of expression, like dresses and painting your nails. That is what I am comparing to "trans-racial".
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Member Since: 10/6/2010
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Originally posted by Melquiades
If gender and race are social constructs, how come we can embrace transgender people but we make transracial into a taboo?
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Race isn't totally a social construct nor is gender. Gender has to do with hormone levels and despite what people would like you to believe, IS linked to sex. Transgendered people often face body dysphoria because their gender identity that forms in their brain as they age doesn't match up with their sex and they seek to change sexes or simply identify the opposite gender. While transracial people could be real, there's really not much evidence to support it nor is they're any genetic or hormonal reason why someone would have racial dysphoria.
TL;DR: There's no scientific reason for someone to be transracial as far as we know.
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
But the discussion is about the latter. I really don't want to seem like I'm hating on transgender people. I just fail to see the link with feeling like a woman (for whatever reason), and a biological basis for conforming to societies gender roles of expression, like dresses and painting your nails. That is what I am comparing to "trans-racial".
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You fail to see the "link" because I didn't provide the "link".
I said, transgenderism is based on something that is physiological and "transracialism" is NOT, therefore it cannot exist and it's simply a woman lying to get ahead.
There is no such thing as transracialism. It's actually really racist to assume a person of another race "feels" differently than you do. The intelligence and emotional capabilities of black women are exactly the same as those of other women.
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Member Since: 9/18/2011
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MESS!
I can't say I feel any type of way about this situation.
I guess if she genuinely feels she is black, then by all means, go for it.If she however, is in fact mocking black culture, it will NOT end well.
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Member Since: 10/6/2010
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Originally posted by Igrt
MESS!
I can't say I feel any type of way about this situation.
I guess if she genuinely feels she is black, then by all means, go for it.If she however, is in fact mocking black culture, it will NOT end well.
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If she genuinely feels a need to be black or that she is black then she needs to see a therapist.
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Member Since: 2/4/2014
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The people using this incident to mock transgender people and oush their agenda. 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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this is such a kii
I feel like she has mental problems or something tho
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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The hypocrisy in this thread really weeds out the TRUE bigots.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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I don't condone what she did but I can stomach this a lot more than those who act black yet don't wanted to be bothered with black people problems. At least she's actually committed to fighting on behalf of black people
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Member Since: 11/12/2009
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Originally posted by Doc
I hate seeing those “if you can be transgender, why can’t you be transracial” so here are my thoughts on that in case your really looking for an answer and not just being a huge dick.
Anyway, onto it.
Race is not fluid- it is not changeable.
Being a member certain race means that from the moment you are born you are put in either a position of social privilege or disadvantage. Those born into disadvantage have developed their own means of survival, their own ways to keep pushing through a world that hates them, and though it may manifest in different ways, our shared history of oppression makes many of our characteristics similar and easy to (mistakenly)stereotype. Not the same by any stretch of the imagination, mind you, but it allows us to understand each other on a more personal level, even from a far.
You don’t ‘transition races’ because you are truly of that race- you ‘become’ black because you see the amazing community that has been created by those in a position of near powerlessness. You have seen the incredible things that black people can do, that have produced- you see the creativity that they are endowed with, and you say, ‘I want that’.
You want the privileges of being black, without ever fighting for them- you want to reap something you never sowed.
Moreover, you base your idea of race on a horrifically static group of stereotypes and try to imitate them, not realizing that these things that have been deemed the norm for the black community come from years of living a certain way, and, even so, is not shared by the entire race. For instance, you decide to speak using AAVE because it’s cool- not because it is your language. You try to mimic our anger- when you have never understood the pain it is borne of. You enter our spaces because you like the way they look from the outside- not because you have nowhere else to go.
You want to be us, without ever being able to understand why we are us.
In other words, you are no better than a living, breathing, racist caricature that doesn’t respect the black community enough to realize you are not a part of it.
Do I even need to mention that white people would never allow black people to be considered white because their rampant anti-blackness barely allows them to accept a black person in their spaces, let alone ‘be’ them, or can we move on?
Great. Moving the **** on then.
Gender, on the other hand is incredibly fluid and personal.
You do not decide to ‘be’ transgender because you want to wear a dress, or pants(because, heads up, clothes are not explicitly gendered). You don’t ‘become’ transgender because you desperately want to be a full time parent or an engineer, because once again, for those in the cheap seats, that **** has nothing to do with gender.
You have, at some point in your life, realized that you are not defined by your genitals/chromosomes/secondary sex characteristics, and despite all odds, you are not as you have previously been defined. It is not because of the traits you find cool and interesting in the other gender, it is because you have found the traits within yourself that make you a woman or man(or non- binary). You are willing to endure hell on earth to become who you truly are, and accept the social stigma and consequences that comes with that. You are not an outsider looking in and jealously admiring what others have worked so hard to have, you are an insider who has been wrongly labeled.
It is not about changing your image, it is about you becoming your image.
You are not trying to ‘invade’ brother or sisterhood, you just want to be who you are, and you deserve the support of every person alive in that endeavor.
So before you decide to open your ****ing mouth and say some dumb ****, including but not limited to ‘being transgender and transracial are the same’ remember to not ever belittle the need to be by comparing it to the desire to take.
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Doesn't this contradict the video you just posted. Literally the opposite.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by RihannasVeryOwn
because can black kids suddenly say they identify as white when theyre getting pushed around by cops? its such an idiotic concept and basically appropriation on steroids.
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this
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Member Since: 3/2/2014
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OMG who came up with Transracial? I love it,

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Member Since: 3/2/2014
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sometimes i wish i was a ratchet black woman
i support ha
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First they're experimenting with bisexuality and now they're experimenting with skin tones and race  College is a mess.
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Member Since: 4/3/2014
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I swear to God if transracial becomes a thing...
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Member Since: 6/20/2010
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Originally posted by Obsession
You don't get to switch races when you are part of the same people who ripped apart our families, ripped apart our lives and continue to torment us in any way they can.
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Regardless of whether or not Rachel is right, wrong or even allowed to do what she did, you are now holding something against her in which she had no influence whatsoever.
Your argument for why she is not allowed to switch races, is based on the fact that she is "part of the same people" who did all the above mentioned things? Isn't that the VERY THING you despise?
Going by your logic, it would be okay to deny somebody something based on what other people did or have done?
Taking it even further: I am a white male who has never had to face any social problems (barring the fact that I am gay). You would hold the fact that I am "part of the same people" against me?
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