Most of us have just acknowledged that Iggy's success is a symptom of racism/white privilege (unfortunately she hasn't tho). And as for the GP, they have come to the realisation that she isn't actually talented, courtesy of those several embarrassing vines, hence her tour flopping and cancellation.
But anyways the GP sees Iggy as a joke now and she's definitely over, probably won't release another album after the sophomore so idk why the people who hate her so much still try so hard
Iggy is finished. Pack up and go home. Especially if your life is improved by her downfalls
So pretty much you're saying that she owes her music style to slavery? Wtf, get your head checked that literally makes no sense. Her music is her music, and lots of other musicians make music like that, and they're white. Music isn't racially separated. The same people who are all about #BlackLivesMatter are the same people who are trying to keep themselves segregated, wtf
You're responding to things that no one is saying... You feeling okay?
Hip hop music and culture grew out of a need for disenfranchised and mistreated people to express subversive thoughts and resistance. Obviously rap music has changed quite a bit, but if you can't see how it's problematic for a white Australian woman to intentionally impersonate that style while mocking and discrediting the experience it was born out of... Then there's really nothing left to say.
So pretty much you're saying that she owes her music style to slavery? Wtf, get your head checked that literally makes no sense. Her music is her music, and lots of other musicians make music like that, and they're white. Music isn't racially separated. The same people who are all about #BlackLivesMatter are the same people who are trying to keep themselves segregated, wtf
But anyways the GP sees Iggy as a joke now and she's definitely over, probably won't release another album after the sophomore so idk why the people who hate her so much still try so hard
Iggy is finished. Pack up and go home. Especially if your life is improved by her downfalls
You're reading too much into it. There are always going to be laughing stocks of the entertainment industry, whether it's Keri Hilson, Carly Jepson, Jessie J on ATRL, or Kanye, Iggy, Kylie Jenner to the GP. It's nothing personal, it's just Iggy's turn to be the joke this year. If she didn't give us so much material she would have a lot less comedic value. But she stays choking on her own words and forcing that blaccent
Well, I wasn't. So I'm not going to apologise for you misinterpreting something I said.
Was never asking for an apology, I was just telling you what I was thinking.
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Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because she doesn't sound like that when she's talking. It's not her natural accent. So clearly she's impersonating an accent.
I disagree, but whatever.
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Who? Name them. If you're going to name Macklemore and Eminem, they actually have flow and can genuinely rap, and they're not putting on an accent. Their rapping voices are authentic.
MGK, Yelawolf, Mac Miller, Hoodie Allen, Kreayshawn, Bubba Sparxxx, Pitbull, G-Eazy, The Beastie Boys, Logic, Action Bronson, Fort Minor.
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True, she couldn't get a job anywhere, but you're kidding yourself if you think a hot blonde will have trouble getting a job.
I'm not saying that she would have trouble finding any job, but you were saying that she was educated, so she would be able to find any job. Also, you can say that same about a hot African American woman too.
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So? Just because we're getting there doesn't mean we're already there.
I'm not saying that, but you're failing to recognize the fact that the world is progressing (slowly but surely).
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I'm dumb and racist for recognising her white privilege is the reason for her success, and has nothing to do with actually having any talent? Oh. Ok. Fine. I'm racist then
Yes, you are. Good on you for recognizing that you were wrong
MGK, Yelawolf, Mac Miller, Hoodie Allen, Kreayshawn, Bubba Sparxxx, Pitbull, G-Eazy, The Beastie Boys, Logic, Action Bronson, Fort Minor.
All rapping in their authentic accents. Bubba Sparxxx was racist as well, but he's not relevant in 2015 when these issues are being discussed. Iggy Azalea doesn't even exist. She's a character that Amethyst Kelly is playing. It's not just a stage-name, it's a persona and an accent and a way of dancing that isn't her authentic self in any way. And the fact that it's offending a significant amount of African-Americans means that it's wrong. If you're black and it doesn't offend you, that's fine, but recognise that some people are offended by it. I don't have a right to be personally offended by it, but I can recognise that some people are, and that's why I think I have the right to say it's offensive, even if it's not offensive to me personally.
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I'm not saying that she would have trouble finding any job, but you were saying that she was educated, so she would be able to find any job. Also, you can say that same about a hot African American woman too.
I didn't explicitly say she was educated. AGAIN, it was from that quote in the video. A quote I didn't even say. I repeat...a quote I didn't say. A quote that the black guy in the video said (in quotation marks, I might add, because he also didn't want to offend anyone):
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"It's also an issue of privilege, because you can talk like that on your rap albums, but you can turn that **** off when you want to. You don't always HAVE to always walk around sounding, let's be real, like you are "uneducated." That you are ignorant. You don't have to sound like that. A lot of people sound like that because of the environment they're living in, and that's the part that bothers me is that a lot of people sound like that not because they're tryna be cool. They don't have a choice. And they can't go to a job interview and just turn that **** off. That's their life."
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I'm not saying that, but you're failing to recognize the fact that the world is progressing (slowly but surely).
I never failed to recognise that. I recognise that. Where did I deny that the world isn't progressing? All I said was "just because the world is changing doesn't mean it's already there." If anything I did recognise the world is changing...
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Yes, you are. Good on you for recognizing that you were wrong
It's a shame that this word is just thrown at people to offend them. Save it for when people are actually racist. I'm sorry for recognising that there are poor black people in the south who have very distinguishable accents and ways of speaking that makes them sound unique from wealthier black people and people of other ethnicities. I just see that as acknowledging a fact.
This. There was a lot of love for Iggy before she became successful, and then the moment that she started to threaten some people's faves (not literally but with music and success), people started to dig deep and go after her. That's not to say that some stans of other female rappers aren't fine with her, but I just find it all annoying. Why can't the GP (and ATRL) let female rappers coexist in their lanes without pitting them against each other?
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Iggy's not even mocking those people. You're being super insufferable and dumb with your opinions. And if you're saying that she's mocking the African American community with her music, you're wrong. Just because she is white and influenced by hip hop doesn't mean that she's mocking a race at all. Secondly, if anyone's mocking, it's you for placing African Americans in those groups when the community is incredibly diverse.
All the people making "she deserves it, but some people take it too far" comments are definitely right, and are making me reflect on the fact that I take it too far. I'm not going to stop though.
You're responding to things that no one is saying... You feeling okay?
Hip hop music and culture grew out of a need for disenfranchised and mistreated people to express subversive thoughts and resistance. Obviously rap music has changed quite a bit, but if you can't see how it's problematic for a white Australian woman to intentionally impersonate that style while mocking and discrediting the experience it was born out of... Then there's really nothing left to say.
A lot of people have covered on why I don't like Iggy. But I felt like adding a point I haven't seen brought up:
When Nicki was doing more pop sounding music, the black hip hop purists (which aren't here for Iggy) were NOT having it nor were they here for Nicki! Hell most of hip hop was pissed and let her know it. And mind you, they didn't give a **** that she is black. In fact she got dragged even harder because she is black. The backlash that she got for beating JayZ and Kanye West (Watch The Throne), Drake and Lil Wayne (with Superbass) for several awards was just as bad as Iggy got for beating her peers. This black against black backlash is not new either; MJ and Whitney got flack from the black community at first and some called them sell outs for doing pop aka white music. And Nicki got the same **** for doing pop music herself. she was called a sell out, was flat out told her music would not be played on Urban radio (a threat that was carried out by certain stations including The Breakfast Club - Charlamagne was the first public radio dj to start beef with Nicki and tell her that). And some of y'all wanna act like ONLY Iggy got it bad and was attacked primarily for her race? We're y'all even checking on Nicki or noticing the hate she got for her second album?? Y'all didn't notice her OWN fans and the entire hip hop community rip her apart for the Pink Friday Roman's Revenge era?! Starships may have been playing on POP stations and gotten praise by pop lovers (like Fancy) but guess what? Hip hop was not here for it and giving Nicki the finger very publicly for it and for her other pop singles. She was dragged for her image because she was trying to be white (as opposed to Iggy getting dragged for trying to be black - funny how y'all miss this similarity). She then released another album the same year, it was less pop than her second one (as a way to stop the backlash). She also did idol and took a break. In other words she did damage control and quietly accepted what came to her. She switched back to her roots which is why hip hop now fully accepts and loves her; where as she was not loved or fully accepted before.
Most of you poptart lovers don't even bother with hip hop so you just assume ****. There are a lot of white rappers who are respected and are far more talented than Iggy and Macklemore; many whose music will never get the same exposure they got because their music IS authentic hip hop and not hip POP like their music. Pitbull is Latino, Flo Rida, T- Pain and Souljaboy are black but black hip hop folks and hip hop folks period (like myself and I'm Mexican), don't use them because they don't care for hip pop.
There are also openly gay rappers (black and white) and all of them get paid dust; but Macklemore did an LGBTQ empowerment hip pop song and gets all this exposure. You're telling me you don't see a problem with that? When busdriver (an openly gay black rapper) did an LGBTQ empowerment song 10 years ago; and still gets paid dust. Y'all don't see the white privilege?
Like I said, most of you POP fans don't know squat about hip hop music, its roots, the hip hop community, etc. you just make your own foolish assumptions and think we're all racists and that we don't like Iggy or Macklemore because they're white. You think we can't tell who is and who isn't a talented artist race aside? That's ignorant and wrong on your part. Most of us like Eminem, Fort Minor, Dilated Peoples, DJ Greenlantern, etc. and they're white. The Streets and The Omnimen are white European rappers who rap with an accent; I love the music both these groups make. I would like Iggy if she made music that I liked and if she was authentic about HERSELF, but she is neither and she sucks compared to other people. she can't freestyle or write her own lines, I don't care what race you are; I'm not here for lazy studio rappers. Hell i'm not here for hip pop at all. I don't like Pitbull and my community (Latino) loves him. Am I racist (against my own) because I don't like Pitbull? Think twice before trying to throw the reverse racist card. There's more to hip hop than you think you know.
A lot of people have covered on why I don't like Iggy. But I felt like adding a point I haven't seen brought up:
When Nicki was doing more pop sounding music, the black hip hop purists (which aren't here for Iggy) were NOT having it nor were they here for Nicki! Hell most of hip hop was pissed and let her know it. And mind you, they didn't give a **** that she is black. In fact she got dragged even harder because she is black. The backlash that she got for beating JayZ and Kanye West (Watch The Throne), Drake and Lil Wayne (with Superbass) for several awards was just as bad as Iggy got for beating her peers. This black against black backlash is not new either; MJ and Whitney got flack from the black community at first and some called them sell outs for doing pop aka white music. And Nicki got the same **** for doing pop music herself. she was called a sell out, was flat out told her music would not be played on Urban radio (a threat that was carried out by certain stations including The Breakfast Club - Charlamagne was the first public radio dj to start beef with Nicki and tell her that). And some of y'all wanna act like ONLY Iggy got it bad and was attacked primarily for her race? We're y'all even checking on Nicki or noticing the hate she got for her second album?? Y'all didn't notice her OWN fans and the entire hip hop community rip her apart for the Pink Friday Roman's Revenge era?! Starships may have been playing on POP stations and gotten praise by pop lovers (like Fancy) but guess what? Hip hop was not here for it and giving Nicki the finger very publicly for it and for her other pop singles. She was dragged for her image because she was trying to be white (as opposed to Iggy getting dragged for trying to be black - funny how y'all miss this similarity). She then released another album the same year, it was less pop than her second one (as a way to stop the backlash). She also did idol and took a break. In other words she did damage control and quietly accepted what came to her. She switched back to her roots which is why hip hop now fully accepts and loves her; where as she was not loved or fully accepted before.
Most of you poptart lovers don't even bother with hip hop so you just assume ****. There are a lot of white rappers who are respected and are far more talented than Iggy and Macklemore; many whose music will never get the same exposure they got because their music IS authentic hip hop and not hip POP like their music. Pitbull is Latino, Flo Rida, T- Pain and Souljaboy are black but black hip hop folks and hip hop folks period (like myself and I'm Mexican), don't use them because they don't care for hip pop.
There are also openly gay rappers (black and white) and all of them get paid dust; but Macklemore did an LGBTQ empowerment hip pop song and gets all this exposure. You're telling me you don't see a problem with that? When busdriver (an openly gay black rapper) did an LGBTQ empowerment song 10 years ago; and still gets paid dust. Y'all don't see the white privilege?
Like I said, most of you POP fans don't know squat about hip hop music, its roots, the hip hop community, etc. you just make your own foolish assumptions and think we're all racists and that we don't like Iggy or Macklemore because they're white. You think we can't tell who is and who isn't a talented artist race aside? That's ignorant and wrong on your part. Most of us like Eminem, Fort Minor, Dilated Peoples, DJ Greenlantern, etc. and they're white. The Streets and The Omnimen are white European rappers who rap with an accent; I love the music both these groups make. I would like Iggy if she made music that I liked and if she was authentic about HERSELF, but she is neither and she sucks compared to other people. she can't freestyle or write her own lines, I don't care what race you are; I'm not here for lazy studio rappers. Hell i'm not here for hip pop at all. I don't like Pitbull and my community (Latino) loves him. Am I racist (against my own) because I don't like Pitbull? Think twice before trying to throw the reverse racist card. There's more to hip hop than you think you know.
