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News: Pregnant Black Woman Attacked By Cop (Chest Cam Footage)
Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Originally posted by Javan
Some people just don't want their name documented in police reports because it's hard to have it removed for one. These people are so childish and have naive view on life, and are thinking "It's just an ID, do it quickly and be done with it". But as an adult and a mother she is thinking, "I don't need my name in the system, I don't need to be identified for them to pull me up at my job, contact my boss, what if this ****s up my insurance" all those potential problems, just for a petty incident that she had no fault in  But the white woman's name wasn't taken, so she doesn't have to worry about that.
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This.
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
There's a possibility for anyone either way, so why not just comply to avoid conflict? If you resist and don't do something as simple as showing an ID, things are clearly going to get worse.
You don't think if people just calmly comply if they're being asked to do something as simple as show an ID, that trouble can be avoided? I absolutely do.
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A cop can't make you talk to him if you don't have your lawyer either. You don't have to comply with all of their demands. The law exists for the reason and even they are not above it. You people need to learn about your laws. You don't even know the laws of your local, state and federal governments. In some states they have explicitly passed laws that state you can refuse to show your id. The cop needs to get a warrant if they can't find anything else. Secondly, that doesn't excuse his overuse of force and his lack of judgement. He's a law enforcement officer he supposed to know better.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Javan
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Please don't take a piece of what I said out of context when I explained myself in the next line quite clearly thanks unless you're just trying to argue not really sure
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This is awful. I seriously hate us. Like, do you guys have ANY respect? Yes she denied ID, so put handcuffs on her at the very MOST. DONT KNOCK A PREGNANT WOMAN DOWN. These people are inhumane.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Anvarie
let me clear up my POV again
Did this woman commit a crime?
No the officers even said so themselves
Did she have the right to walk away and ignore their question?
Yes there wasn't an arrest taking place and she doesn't have to talk to the cops
Were the cops in the wrong?
Yes! She's pregnant first of all and not even a threat that warrants handcuffs
Were they too violent?
Yes obviously
Did she have the right to resist?
Yes thanks to javan who so kindly informed me she did have the right to
Who's in the wrong here?
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girl what?
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Member Since: 8/4/2010
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Barstow is 45 mins. away from me and this is originally a place where white people would flee and escape "inner city crime/problems", so even though this is disheartening, I am not surprised.
As more black people move into the high desert, most white people there are going to feel threatened regardless of the fact.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Anvarie
let me clear up my POV again
Did this woman commit a crime?
No the officers even said so themselves
Did she have the right to walk away and ignore their question?
Yes there wasn't an arrest taking place and she doesn't have to talk to the cops
Were the cops in the wrong?
Yes! She's pregnant first of all and not even a threat that warrants handcuffs
Were they too violent?
Yes obviously
Did she have the right to resist?
Yes thanks to javan who so kindly informed me she did have the right to
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I don't understand how you can admit the woman was in the right and the officer in the wrong and then follow up with
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Who's in the wrong here?
This is the gray area for me
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What even?
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She deserved getting cuffed, but not ABUSED. Especially because she is pregnant
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by Javan
Some people just don't want their name documented in police reports because it's hard to have it removed for one. These people are so childish and have naive view on life, and are thinking "It's just an ID, do it quickly and be done with it". But as an adult and a mother she is thinking, "I don't need my name in the system, I don't need to be identified for them to pull me up at my job, contact my boss, what if this ****s up my insurance" all those potential problems, just for a petty incident that she had no fault in But the white woman's name wasn't taken, so she doesn't have to worry about that. |
Doesn't matter. The law states you don't have to show your id and that the cops need to get their paperwork in order and come back. That's the bottom line. they are subject to the law like anyone else and even moreso. Being an unelected official doesn't give someone special privileges that automatically make them above the law. It was documented that there was no crime committed for him to be talking to the woman at all. She told him she was pregnant from the jump. At that point he should've left her alone.
People don't want their name in a police report for any reason because it can effect employment and credit and many many other things. That's their right not to if they haven't been subpoenaed and the cops don't have a warrant for their arrest. That's the bottom line. The law works for everyone. The police have avenues they can pursue that don't include violence. So a pregnant woman got mouthy and cranky with you. Big whoop. If you are that thin skinned, maybe the police force isn't the job for you.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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You guys are so lame I swear I type up paragraphs and you highlight a few words out of context and ignore everything I said
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Originally posted by Anvarie
She started resisting after they went to grab her, were they right for that NO for the bajillionth time, did she resist curse and struggle yes.
And no you don't have the right to resist arrest
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Yes, you do have a right to resist unlawful arrest...
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Why is the excuse/justification for racist cops always "it's easier just to comply and do what they say"
Why don't you ask instead, "why do things have to escalate just because someone doesn't give them their ID?"
Just because you're a cop, doesn't automatically make it okay for you to order us around any kind of way. If you tell me to walk into moving traffic, I'm not gonna do it. If you're asking for my information unwarranted, I'm not going to give it to you either, JUST BECAUSE I CAN. I don't care if that makes me "disrespectful" to cops. What about the law enforcement system deserves respect anyways? Not a damn thing.
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Member Since: 5/10/2012
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Originally posted by Anvarie
let me clear up my POV again
Were the cops in the wrong?
Yes! She's pregnant first of all and not even a threat that warrants handcuffs |
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Who's in the wrong here?
This is the gray area for me
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It's time
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This was disgusting and painful to watch.
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Originally posted by HausofNiko
She deserved getting cuffed, but not ABUSED. Especially because she is pregnant
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She deserved to get cuffed even though no crime had been commited?
Interesting.
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Originally posted by HausofNiko
She deserved getting cuffed, but not ABUSED. Especially because she is pregnant
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what did she do to deserve being cuffed?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Anvarie
You guys are so lame I swear I type up paragraphs and you highlight a few words out of context and ignore everything I said
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Girl, bye. You admitted she was right and then said you don't know who was in the right. Of course your confusion is confusing. It's like you KNOW she did nothing wrong yet something inside of you won't let her be completely innocent. You just HAVE to find fault.
I think you're just trolling at this point. Because you said she was right about half a dozen times and still turned around and said you're not sure. Nothing in your paragraphs makes sense especially when you keep contradicting yourself. "She's right, but I don't really know if she's right" Like is the sky blue or is it not?
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by Anvarie
You guys are so lame I swear I type up paragraphs and you highlight a few words out of context and ignore everything I said
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but what your point doesn't hold. That's the problem. The police have abused their powers as it relates to african americans and now african americans don't cooperate with them because they don't have to unless they are a suspect in a crime. Sorry. He might as well be telling another police officer to present their id.
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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The bottom line is you don't beat a pregnant woman for any reason unless your life is in danger. I don't care how much she mouths off to you. Waaaaa! Go cry to the judge and maybe he'll do something.
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Member Since: 5/28/2010
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Originally posted by Javan
Some people just don't want their name documented in police reports because it's hard to have it removed for one. These people are so childish and have naive view on life, and are thinking "It's just an ID, do it quickly and be done with it". But as an adult and a mother she is thinking, "I don't need my name in the system, I don't need to be identified for them to pull me up at my job, contact my boss, what if this ****s up my insurance" all those potential problems, just for a petty incident that she had no fault in But the white woman's name wasn't taken, so she doesn't have to worry about that. |
ALLLLLLL OF THISSS.
Read people, read. It's much more than just giving an ID. She exercised her right to refuse identification. Only 23 (I believe) states require identification even if there is no suspicion of a crime, California is NOT one of them. She was completely in the right. Moral of the story: white woman got scared and called the legal terrorists, those legal terrorists then proceded to abuse and terrorize minorities as they have HISTORICALLY done. Disgusting pigs.
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