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Originally posted by Allie
I always thought that being white was a hindrance when it came to admissions since half of America is white.
Do LGBTQ applicants benefit from the "diversity" need as well? You'd think so, but there isn't really a place to check off sexuality on applications.
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That's popular perception promoted by people who know little about the issue and use it as a ranting point against blacks and Hispanics who are supposedly "stealing" seats from whites, but the reality is that the number of seats they get is insignificant. Like
BlueTimberwolf explained, schools that steer away ethnic quotas are now Asian-dominated and whites are a minority. You can see the same case in specialized high schools across the country that are considered mini-colleges; Indians, Chinese, Koreans, etc. make up over 50% of the student population and by the end of the decade, they'll be over 60% and the number of white students keeps dwindling.
As for LGBT applicants, there's no question about sexuality, but I'm sure an essay about the LGBT experience or working with the LGBT community in extracurricular activities could help an applicant stand out (unless it's a Christian university).
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Originally posted by Beyond Say
Maybe they're talking about all the rich white folk who get in based off of daddy's name. |
They're talking about anybody who gets in without the academic standing they had, and yes, it's definitely whites with a legacy or just whites who benefit from the quotas.
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Originally posted by Mr.Link
It's not about race, it's about Americans wanting their own people to have access to their own top universities. Asians are literally taking over. It needs to be stopped somehow.
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If it's not about race then why would Americans be concerned about Asians taking over and need to be stopped? Those Asians taking over are Asian-Americans, not international students. There's a tiny acceptance rate for international students so it doesn't even make sense to bring them up. Clearly you think of foreigners where you hear "Asian."
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Originally posted by Doc
Oh please, they can find a seat.
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Why? If you were in the same position as them, you would agree. You have an issue with this because you think it's a threat to blacks. People have embedded in their heads that affirmative action is for blacks and Hispanics when it really helps whites a lot.
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Originally posted by h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e
This is pretty much my opinion. Asians are already so lucky + priviliged, even if they can't be admitted into the best of the best I'm sure they're all admitted into other top-tier universities. They'll be fine. They're already at the top of the socioeconomic tower anyway (a lot of them).
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Which Asians do you know that are "privileged and lucky"? Aren't you Chinese? You keep saying saying stuff like this in other threads, but the only Asian-American groups that are doing really well are Indians, Filipinos and Taiwanese and they're just above average when it comes to annual income, not privileged. Most other Asian groups are not doing that well, but it's the top groups that skew the statistics.
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Originally posted by Mr.Link
I meant Asian people as in people born in Asia not as the asian race in general 
A country's priority must be their own people, asian-american, african-american, white-american, all of them should have priority in American universities over foreigners imo.
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First, Asian isn't a race. Second, how is any of what you said relevant? The people accusing Harvard of racial bias are Asian-Americans, not foreigners. International students make a tiny percentage of any school's student body; they're never given priority over American nationals. Clearly you read "Asian" and thought "foreigner" because Asians are always thought of as foreigners.
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Originally posted by Doc
I look at Asians complaining about affirmative action the same way I look at Whites complaining about affirmative action—with nothing but disdain.
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Whites who complain about affirmative action are that blacks and Hispanics are "stealing" seats from them. Asians who complain about affirmative action are talking about less qualified candidates that are accepted over them and that's most likely to be whites. Like
BlueTimberwolf already mentioned, schools that now steer away from ethnic quotas, still try to get black and Hispanic students, but the only real change is that Asians dominate over whites.
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Originally posted by h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e
Many are. Trust me.
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As of 2012, Asian Americans had the highest educational attainment level and median household income of any racial demographic in the country,[2][5] and in 2008 they had the highest median personal income overall of any racial demographic.[6][7]
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And which are these Asian groups with high educational attainment levels and household incomes? It's certain Asian groups skewing the statistics forward and not representative of all Asian-Americans. The median household income for AAs is $68,636, which is hardly "privileged and lucky." Indians have the highest with $86,135 with Filipinos at $76,954, and that's middle class at best. Instead of just reading statistics, look at the context too.
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Originally posted by KareBear
Asians typically earn their privilege through hard work. White people are born with it
Also Asians seem to fall under the radar when it comes to discrimination (except most middle east people) in the US. They are desired second to white people because they're stereotyped as being really smart. They don't need affirmative action to get into a good school because a lot of them are well off. Blacks and Latinos suffer financially and are the most discriminated against so extra opportunities help them. I guess they don't want Asians to outnumber white people at Harvard
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Middle Eastern people are categorized as white in the US (and they usually are unless they're black or Bedouin mixed). They're perceived as white so discrimination is not that big of an issue unless they're conservative Muslim females for obvious reasons. In fact, there are a lot of Arabs, Turks and Iranians are in the media and people have no idea. According to hate crime statistics, it's actually South Asians who are more likely to be verbally and even physically harassed because mainstream Americans think Indians and Pakistanis are "Middle Eastern," but that's another topic altogether.
In any case, non-white Asians fall under the radar when it comes to discrimination because they're a small population that's ignored and many stay close to family on purpose instead of getting involved with the mainstream. Most of the discrimination Asians face are microggressions like jokes and mockery, but Asians are cooperative and ignore it . They're seen as non-threatening. The biggest form of discrimination Asian face is in the professional workplace where they rarely move into high positions, especially Asian males.
As for schools not wanting Asians to outnumber whites, maybe. That's definitely the basis of the complaint here. The ethnic quotas help everyone except Asians.
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Originally posted by h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e
Well yes. But the thing is, in the real world, at the end of it all, Asian students are NOT losing spots at top-tier universities. Regardless of their background. Sure, maybe a student got into all of them except for Harvard b/c they chose to admit a latino student or black student or whatever.
Who gives a damn if you didn't get into Harvard? Just go to Stanford. Go to Princeton. Asian students are NOT really effected by this in any real meaningful, capacity
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What on earth are you going on about? If you actually read the thread (instead of being so busy with that ridiculous claim that Asians are "privileged and lucky") you'd know that Asians are not losing anything to black and Hispanic students.
