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News: Australian same sex marriage bill to be introduced
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Originally posted by Mitch.
Haha sis it's a long story.
You gotta understand firstly that marriage is a federal thing here, all or nothing. It has to be changed through federal Parliament vote.
We had a Prime Minister from 1996-2007 called John Howard who was the Liberal/National leader (similar to U.S. Republicans) and was very conservative about Marriage and gay rights in general.
In 2007, the Labor party (similar to U.S. Democrats) came into power with their leader Kevin Rudd. Now Rudd was also religious person and opposed same-sex marriage, he did however change all of the tax, hospital rights, will, etc. laws so that a registered defacto same-sex couple had the same rights as married people (apart from adoption/surrogacy rights which is a state issue).
Now in 2010 Julia Gillard (also Labor party) became PM in a political coup. In 2011 the issue really began to pick up steam here and a vote was put to the Parliament but there was a binding vote on the opposition side (due to the opposition leader Tony Abbott saying so) and despite Julia Gillard being an atheist who lived with her boyfriend, unmarried, she didn't support it either and the vote lost basically 2:1.
Julia Gillard was disposed of in another political coup and Kevin Rudd became PM again. It was Rudd v Abbott at the 2013 election and Rudd switched his stance on this issue and now supported it. That election campaign had the hilarious situation in where Abbott opposed it despite having a gay sister (who was obviously for it), and Rudd was for it despite having a religious conservative who was an outspoken critic against it.
It's been sort of a bubbling issue ever since, the Liberal/National Government still have that binding no vote from 2011 but today's events may see Abbott drop that and allow all people in his party to vote whichever way they want (the Labor Party has had this since the 2011 vote).
If Abbott doesn't drop the binding vote for his party members there is no chance, but if he does there may just be enough members, but will be extremely close.
We'll have to wait till next week to see.
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I love how Julia exposed the misoginy in ha iconic speech, but with marriage oh Sis Rudd telling that priest why he supports gay marriage during the televised debate and the priest not even blinking. Those on-tv tweets when that happened "If he stares hard enough he thinks Rudd will catch fire"
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
I love how Julia exposed the misoginy in ha iconic speech, but with marriage oh Sis Rudd telling that priest why he supports gay marriage during the televised debate and the priest not even blinking. Those on-tv tweets when that happened "If he stares hard enough he thinks Rudd will catch fire"
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Julia was so odd, in so many ways she was the progressive leader Australia needed but her legacy will forever be tarnished on the Left for her bizarre stance on the issue.
It's just such a shame because we would have got it in 2011 if she supported it.
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Originally posted by Mitch.
Julia was so odd, in so many ways she was the progressive leader Australia needed but her legacy will forever be tarnished on the Left for her bizarre stance on the issue.
It's just such a shame because we would have got it in 2011 if she supported it.
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This boy asked her why she said no out of nowhere and she probably wanted to turn into smoke and disappear
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Originally posted by macrocycle
Isn't Australia supposed to be the gayest country on the planet? How is this only happening now?
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Your the gayest country on the planet xoxo
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It probably won't go through, which is an absolute mess considering the majority of Australians support it. Our political system has become a joke.
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One interview and suddenly gay marriage comes to Australia, britney ha power
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Originally posted by HeavenMonster
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OMG is that dude really gay?
What's his name asking for a friend
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mitch.
Haha sis it's a long story.
You gotta understand firstly that marriage is a federal thing here, all or nothing. It has to be changed through a federal Parliament vote.
We had a Prime Minister from 1996-2007 called John Howard who was the Liberal/National leader (similar to U.S. Republicans) and was very conservative about Marriage and gay rights in general.
In 2007, the Labor party (similar to U.S. Democrats) came into power with their leader Kevin Rudd. Now Rudd was also religious person and opposed same-sex marriage, he did however change all of the tax, hospital rights, will, etc. laws so that a registered defacto same-sex couple had the same rights as married people (apart from adoption/surrogacy rights which is a state issue).
Now in 2010 Julia Gillard (also Labor party) became PM in a political coup. In 2011 the issue really began to pick up steam here and a vote was put to the Parliament but there was a binding vote on the opposition side (due to the opposition leader Tony Abbott saying so) and despite Julia Gillard being an atheist who lived with her boyfriend, unmarried, she didn't support it either and the vote lost basically 2:1.
Julia Gillard was disposed of in another political coup and Kevin Rudd became PM again. It was Rudd v Abbott at the 2013 election and Rudd switched his stance on this issue and now supported it. That election campaign had the hilarious situation in where Abbott opposed it despite having a gay sister (who was obviously for it), and Rudd was for it despite having a religious conservative sister who was an outspoken critic against it.
Tony Abbott's Liberal/Nationals won the election in 2013 and it's been sort of a bubbling issue ever since, the Liberal/National Government still have that binding no vote from 2011 but today's events may see Abbott drop that and allow all people in his party to vote whichever way they want (the Labor Party has had this since the 2011 vote).
If Abbott doesn't drop the binding vote for his party members there is no chance, but if he does there may just be enough members, but will be extremely close.
We'll have to wait till next week to see.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation.
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As much as I want this bill passed, I'd rather it not be done under any association to Tony Abbott. He is a slimy, smug ****ing prick. I wish we could ship him off to be used as target practice for ISIS.
I'm also well and truly against it going to referendum. I don't believe the majority of the population should be able to decide on the rights of a minority. It is a political issue that should be passed at a federal level and that is that.
Edit: Tony Abbott has spoken out today, stating his 'priority' at the moment is on 'small business'... Thanks, Tone.
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Originally posted by macrocycle
Isn't Australia supposed to be the gayest country on the planet?
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Lol there's no way Australia is regarded as that.
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Anyone that knew Julia on a personal level knew she supported Gay Marriage but because she held onto the Prime Ministership with the support of the SDA she has to publicly oppose gay marriage, which is a shame but I guess that's politics for you.
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Come through AUTRALIA. Lemme marry Ian Thorpe legally.
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THE CRACKS ARE SHOWING
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Mr Abbott believes the reform, if is to be debated, must be relieved of any such party branding. To that end, he has given his imprimatur to former government whip Liberal MP Warren Entsch to seek a suitable backbencher on the Labor side to co-sponsor a new private member's bill.
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...27-ghaz2r.html
Pull through, Oz
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Originally posted by Snoopy
As much as I want this bill passed, I'd rather it not be done under any association to Tony Abbott. He is a slimy, smug ****ing prick. I wish we could ship him off to be used as target practice for ISIS.
I'm also well and truly against it going to referendum. I don't believe the majority of the population should be able to decide on the rights of a minority. It is a political issue that should be passed at a federal level and that is that.
Edit: Tony Abbott has spoken out today, stating his 'priority' at the moment is on 'small business'... Thanks, Tone.
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"In a further sign of a new more constructive approach, Mr Abbott dropped a frequent conservative refrain that gay marriage was an inner-city pre-occupation and an illegitmate distraction from serious concerns, by branding it "an important issue".
Your impact
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My prayers are with Aussies.
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Liberal and Labour MPs will co-write a bill.
It's coming!
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
Liberal and Labour MPs will co-write a bill.
It's coming!
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Still not getting too excited but things seem to be falling into place.
Maybe...
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omgomgomgomgggggggggggggggggggg
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