News: ISIS conquers and starts to destroy iconic Palmyra - Page 4

NX127

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Originally posted by RihannasVeryOwn

Why is it so hard to locate them and drop thousands of drones at once.
If they can do it to poor Yemeni children I don't see why they can't with terrorists

Syria won't let the US in, because in that there's a huge possibility of turning into another Iraq.

Hitori

Somebody stop them. This is getting out of hand. Syria...

Ressti

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Originally posted by Grumpy Gills

Y'all need to make up your ****ing minds you can't be mad when America steps and then be mad when America doesn't. You can't have it both ways, either we're the world's police or we're sleep

Y'all are so naïve...

The US allowed all these Jihadist movements to thrive... The US is the reason ISIS is on a rampage. They did all they could to turn Shia and Sunni muslims against each other in Iraq and that's how groups like ISIS are created. They know Saudi Arabia (a US ally) is funding them and they do nothing about it.

Grumpy Gills

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Originally posted by Ressti

Y'all are so naïve...

The US allowed all these Jihadist movements to thrive... The US is the reason ISIS is on a rampage. They did all they could to turn Shia and Sunni muslims against each other in Iraq and that's how groups like ISIS are created. They know Saudi Arabia (a US ally) is funding them and they do nothing about it.

ok Jan

Chucko

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Originally posted by Ressti

Y'all are so naïve...

The US allowed all these Jihadist movements to thrive... The US is the reason ISIS is on a rampage. They did all they could to turn Shia and Sunni muslims against each other in Iraq and that's how groups like ISIS are created. They know Saudi Arabia (a US ally) is funding them and they do nothing about it.

Before you call people naïve you should not open yourself to being called stupid.

"They did all they could to turn Shia and Sunni muslims against each other in Iraq and that's how groups like ISIS are created."

This is one of the most uneducated statements I have ever read on this forum and trust me...

First of all Sunni and Shi’ites have hated each other for 100's of years. Saddam brutalized the Shi’ites in Iraq, the vast majority of deaths in the Iran - Iraq war were Shi’ite. In the first gulf war the Shi’ites saw a chance to take over when Saddam looked weak and it ended in 300,000 Shi’ites dead when we didn't help the revolution. Who do you think is in all the mass graves we found? Not sunni people. We did nothing to turn them against each other since they already were against each other and have been for centuries.

However they hate something more than each other and that is ISIS and Sunnis and Shi’ites are fighting side by side in Iraq today against ISIS. A major issue for the US is do we arm the Shi’ites and if we do and they kick ISIS out will they turn on the Sunnis next. That is a real problem.

Saudi Arabia (Wahhabi Sunni) is funding ISIS really? I'm sure some cash is coming out of SA but the Saudis are freaking out over ISIS they know if they get any foothold or movement going inside SA their army isn't going to stop them. The Saudi Army is just a prop when has it ever been tested and then you will have ISIS (Sunni) and Saudi Army (Sunni) going at it. Do you think the army will put up a fight or just drop their guns like in Iraq? ISIS does not take marching orders from SA. Their goal is to take over the Middle East and the World.

ISIS exists today because of us though you are correct. If we stayed in Iraq and kept it stable chances are ISIS would not exist anywhere near the level they do today.

This is a high level view I could write a book on this if you want but either way you are wrong.

Terylee

I'm not afraid of God. I'm afraid of man.

Thisisit

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Originally posted by Repo

It's people, not religion, as displayed by how many peaceful religious people they are. These people would do this kind of stuff with or without religion, they simply warp it as a justification because it's easy. Atheists have done great evils as well. And so have Christians, Muslims, Jews, and every it be religion in existence. It's people making choices, not religion forcing them to do it, and it's pure delusion to act like stuff like this would go away without religion's existence (see Stalin)

Stalin didn't commit evil in the name of atheism, he just happened to be Atheist. ISIS were inspired by religion and do what they do in the name of islam.

Ressti

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Originally posted by Chucko

Before you call people naïve you should not open yourself to being called stupid.

"They did all they could to turn Shia and Sunni muslims against each other in Iraq and that's how groups like ISIS are created."

This is one of the most uneducated statements I have ever read on this forum and trust me...

First of all Sunni and Shi’ites have hated each other for 100's of years. Saddam brutalized the Shi’ites in Iraq, the vast majority of deaths in the Iran - Iraq war were Shi’ite. In the first gulf war the Shi’ites saw a chance to take over when Saddam looked weak and it ended in 300,000 Shi’ites dead when we didn't help the revolution. Who do you think is in all the mass graves we found? Not sunni people. We did nothing to turn them against each other since they already were against each other and have been for centuries.

However they hate something more than each other and that is ISIS and Sunnis and Shi’ites are fighting side by side in Iraq today against ISIS. A major issue for the US is do we arm the Shi’ites and if we do and they kick ISIS out will they turn on the Sunnis next. That is a real problem.

Saudi Arabia (Wahhabi Sunni) is funding ISIS really? I'm sure some cash is coming out of SA but the Saudis are freaking out over ISIS they know if they get any foothold or movement going inside SA their army isn't going to stop them. The Saudi Army is just a prop when has it ever been tested and then you will have ISIS (Sunni) and Saudi Army (Sunni) going at it. Do you think the army will put up a fight or just drop their guns like in Iraq? ISIS does not take marching orders from SA. Their goal is to take over the Middle East and the World.

ISIS exists today because of us though you are correct. If we stayed in Iraq and kept it stable chances are ISIS would not exist anywhere near the level they do today.

This is a high level view I could write a book on this if you want but either way you are wrong.

I'm not gonna bother, because someone else can clock you with facts better than I can.

You should read this Noam Chomsky interview because if I bring Arab sources you'll just counter me with some university dissertation.
http://www.salon.com/2015/02/16/noam..._isis_partner/

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Finally, the US just decided to attack the country in 2003. The attack is compared by many Iraqis to the Mongol invasion of a thousand years earlier. Very destructive. Hundreds of thousands of people killed, millions of refugees, millions of other displaced persons, destruction of the archeological richness and wealth of the country back to Sumeria.

One of the effects of the invasion was immediately to institute sectarian divisions. Part of the brilliance of the invasion force and its civilian director, Paul Bremer, was to separate the sects, Sunni, Shi’a, Kurd, from one another, set them at each other’s throats. Within a couple of years, there was a major, brutal sectarian conflict incited by the invasion.

You can see it if you look at Baghdad. If you take a map of Baghdad in, say, 2002, it’s a mixed city: Sunni and Shi’a are living in the same neighborhoods, they’re intermarried. In fact, sometimes they didn’t even know who was Sunni and who was Shi’a. It’s like knowing whether your friends are in one Protestant group or another Protestant group. There were differences but it was not hostile.

In fact, for a couple of years both sides were saying: there will never be Sunni-Shi’a conflicts. We’re too intermingled in the nature of our lives, where we live, and so on. By 2006 there was a raging war. That conflict spread to the whole region. By now, the whole region is being torn apart by Sunni-Shi’a conflicts.

This is a well known fact

Anyone who watched Al jazeera at the time (a network the US despises) witnessed this happening live. It's military strategy.

And....

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It’s not only directed by an extremist version of Islam, the Wahhabi Salafi version, but it’s also a missionary state. So it uses its huge oil resources to promulgate these doctrines throughout the region. It establishes schools, mosques, clerics, all over the place, from Pakistan to North Africa.

An extremist version of Saudi extremism is the doctrine that was picked up by ISIS. So it grew ideologically out of the most extremist form of Islam, the Saudi version, and the conflicts that were engendered by the US sledgehammer that smashed up Iraq and has now spread everywhere. That’s what Fuller means.

Saudi Arabia not only provides the ideological core that led to the ISIS radical extremism, but it also funds them. Not the Saudi government, but wealthy Saudis, wealthy Kuwaitis, and others provide the funding and the ideological support for these jihadi groups that are springing up all over the place. This attack on the region by the US and Britain is the source, where this thing originates. That’s what Fuller meant by saying the United States created ISIS.

Read the whole thing.

Chucko

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Originally posted by Ressti

I'm not gonna bother, because someone else can clock you with facts better than I can.

You should read this Noam Chomsky interview because if I bring Arab sources you'll just counter me with some university dissertation.
http://www.salon.com/2015/02/16/noam..._isis_partner/

This is a well known fact

Anyone who watched Al jazeera at the time (a network the US despises) witnessed this happening live. It's military strategy.

And....

Read the whole thing.

Salon really... Chomsky come on. Ok look if Saddam never invaded Kuwait we never would have invaded in 2003. We can play this game all day. I do read Chomsky I don't agree with anything he says though. Same for Alinsky.

You don't get to selectively nit pick the mistakes of the past and conveniently ignore other ones that make you look bad (Noam). When Obama pulled the troops out there wasn't violence, there was no split and there was a stable government. A very fragile government.

***MISTAKE*** Obama ignored the warnings of his advisers and pulled all the troops out. ***MISTAKE***

It does not matter what happened in 2003 or 1003 AD the point is there was no ISIS until after we pulled out. That is the focal point in history.

RomanNavy

I love Obama but he is a ***** tbh.
I hope Hilary has more balls than him and wipes them out

This was on dutch tv yesterday.
The locals there called this Dutch archeologist when ISIS was 3km from Palmyra and he quickly gave them tips.
He told them to take the small monuments with them and bury the semi-big monuments in the desert (so they could be traced with GPS).
The big ones couldn't be saved tho ;(

Eternium

So when Bush wanted to intervene to remove oppression from the Middle East to protect Arab people, we discredited him by saying it was for oil (despite Alaska having so much).

Now that art and history are in danger, though, suddenly our media wants some intervention. Maybe ISIS isn't the only problem

Idontcareaboutyou

You people are idiots. ISIS is flourishing mostly because of the idiotic interventions of the US in Iraq and France and the UK in Libya.

Big Smoke

SMFH

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Originally posted by xclusivestylesz

And maybe I'm missing the bigger picture here, but what's so special about a bunch of pillars?

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Originally posted by xclusivestylesz

I understand they're ancient and all but if they get destroyed can't I just walk a few blocks down to see BASICALLY the same set of pillars? Isn't Rome littered with pillars like these? Or am I thinking of ancient Rome?

Anyways, I could also just do a Google Image search. If I'm lucky there could even be a video on YouTube with these amazeballs pillars in 1080p.

How Sway????

Chucko

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Originally posted by Eternium

So when Bush wanted to intervene to remove oppression from the Middle East to protect Arab people, we discredited him by saying it was for oil (despite Alaska having so much).

Now that art and history are in danger, though, suddenly our media wants some intervention. Maybe ISIS isn't the only problem

I am still waiting to see all that oil the Liberals claimed we went to war over.

There is so much Oil in ANWR that we can't touch it's desolate where they want to drill but Liberals show pictures of other parts of ANWR where its free range.