Originally posted by qa3bool

Some verses in the Quran which people would consider violent only tells a story of a certain event at that time as Islam and Muslim were being attacked, abused and killed. Them verses came in from God to give permission for Muslims to DEFEND themselves of the atrocities committed against them. Some extremists fail to understand this because of either their lack of education or a political agenda for their own benefits and that's why we see many extremist leaders with huge bank balances. The Quran is not the problem. It's all about politics. Extremists are using it to justify their own actions in a wider scale which has translated into putting the wrong ideas into people who lack education such as people in Africa or new European converts.

The most populated Muslim country is Indonesia. Do you ever hear any of these extremism acts there?! No, and the reason is because they don't have an agenda and politics are not involved in it. It's POLITICS.

Another example which shows how politics are the root of the cause. Back in the day, we used to live without labels. We were all Muslims. Nobody would care if you were a Sunni or a Shia. We didn't even have a clue of the words. Now you have both killings each other because it's politics and foreign agenda that brought it to the Middle East and it started when Saddam Hussain was killed. America wanted this conflict between the two groups so that it can concentrate on sucking down the oil down its throat.

Verses in the Quran does not mean to go and do the same because one has to look at the event it came under. There are so many verses in the bible that people would consider violent such as:

"those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

You would not think that Jesus said that but with some more education and less ignorance, you would know the context it came under.

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

People always complain how the black community isn't doing enough to stop black on black crime, but muslims are murdering by the thousands every day but that doesn't apply to that group.

Originally posted by Jicky

So the book of Allah tend to contradict itself just like the bible? They both belong to libraries and should not be studied as something sacred.they are just like any other book they are imperfect written by humans. The problem stems from humans misinterpreting words wrotten centuries ago by no others but humans to control others.

Originally posted by Tropez

That's not true.

The most violent wars had nothing to do with religion.

War War 2 was spearheaded by two atheist countries Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

A world with no religion wouldn't be that much different. There would still be racism, sexism, homophobia and other things.

Originally posted by Infinite

omg i hate muslims

Originally posted by rbautz

But the thing is, the Quran isn't up for interpretation, because it's declared as the word of God by himself via Gibril.

Originally posted by Infinite

omg i hate muslims

Originally posted by Darren-5-08

You have got to be kidding me

The Nazi party based itself and its teachings on the basis of organised religion. They killed 7million people for being JEWISH. You can't say WW2 had nothing to do with religion.

Originally posted by PromKing

If it wasn't religion, it would be something else.

Humans don't get along, period.

Arguments will happen regardless.

The KKK????

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

Miss me with this excuse. Hating other govts for political reasons doesn't justify blowing up schools. That has nothing to do with the US.

Also, what is a "true believer"? Why is their literal interpretation "wrong" but the loose interpretation of the muslim majority, based around modern values, is right?

Originally posted by fabbriche

The KKK that the other user uses as an example against Christianity are Baptist, not Catholic.

Originally posted by qa3bool

Some verses in the Quran which people would consider violent only tells a story of a certain event at that time as Islam and Muslim were being attacked, abused and killed. Them verses came in from God to give permission for Muslims to DEFEND themselves of the atrocities committed against them. Some extremists fail to understand this because of either their lack of education or a political agenda for their own benefits and that's why we see many extremist leaders with huge bank balances. The Quran is not the problem. It's all about politics. Extremists are using it to justify their own actions in a wider scale which has translated into putting the wrong ideas into people who lack education such as people in Africa or new European converts.

The most populated Muslim country is Indonesia. Do you ever hear any of these extremism acts there?! No, and the reason is because they don't have an agenda and politics are not involved in it. It's POLITICS.

Another example which shows how politics are the root of the cause. Back in the day, we used to live without labels. We were all Muslims. Nobody would care if you were a Sunni or a Shia. We didn't even have a clue of the words. Now you have both killings each other because it's politics and foreign agenda that brought it to the Middle East and it started when Saddam Hussain was killed. America wanted this conflict between the two groups so that it can concentrate on sucking down the oil down its throat.

Verses in the Quran does not mean to go and do the same because one has to look at the event it came under. There are so many verses in the bible that people would consider violent such as:

"those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

You would not think that Jesus said that but with some more education and less ignorance, you would know the context it came under.

Originally posted by Kavish

You cannot say that politics is the only cause when we've seen religious agenda in most of those attacks. Why would Muslims taint the name of Islam for their government? Doesn't this bring us back to the thought that parts of the Quran reflect these actions in the first place? Most verses from religious books have a historical event attached with them, I agree, but isn't the Quran a book of guidance? These events were narrated for us to know how to act upon such situations, not just mere story telling. You cannot say that the absurd verses of the Quran only hold historical significance, then turn to peaceful verses and say that Islam is peaceful. You have to look at the whole package. The peaceful parts stem from historical instances too, and you are looking at them as the 'way to live', but why ignore the teachings of the bad parts? As I said earlier, good-hearted Muslims like to nitpick the good from the bad parts of the Quran to make Islam appear good. But Islam is not good when most of those inhumane terrorists acts are done because of that book. Let's agree on this that those verses are dated and no longer relevant in this modern age. Then why do a lot of Islamic countries still treat women less than men, still stone women for not bleeding on their wedding nights, still has death as penalty for apostasy? Is a religion of peace supposed to suppress will and freedom this much? The whole of Quran is dated and barbaric, and as long as it is considered the book of that religion, terrorists will continue to use it as their laissez-faire and think they are doing God's job.

Originally posted by Coklek92

I see you have studied a lot on Quran but too bad because you have misinterpreted the contents. Yeah, there's a verse in Quran which the non-believers should be killed but that implied when they were in attack. The non-believers can refuse to be a Muslim but it doesn't mean they need to kill and attack Muslim. So, the verse more like all Muslims should defend if they are in attack. Then, I want to ask you why there're still many non-Muslims in this world if the Quran said we should kill them?

As reminder, my teachers always say that when you're trying to study and understand the contents of Quran, you better refer with someone who's expert like "ulama" to avoid misunderstanding. And that's what actually happened on you right now.

Originally posted by Kavish

I know most of the verses are result of battles if we look at it on a historical perspective, but the Quran has been written as a guidance to life, as well as surrendering to God. There are messages to be taken from those ancient situations, which is now considered immoral to act upon them. What is sad is that some Muslims still act upon them and that's what I am discussing about here. I am discussing about those Muslims who still do what is being taught, and for that I blame the Quran. When this book is passed as the constitution of a country, you know the country is doomed as we can see in countries that those laws are still practiced. Non-Muslims are safe in most places of the world I agree, but what happened to the lands that Muslim extremists have taken over? And on what basis are they justifying their actions? The Quran. We can understand the history of Islam, but we cannot deny the atrocious consequence still resonating the planet today. This is why I think discussing history is unimportant. It doesn't justify for the wrongs it is doing.