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Discussion: Whitney, Janet, Mariah and the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame
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Whitney, Janet, Mariah and the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame
http://www.billboard.com/articles/ne...ts-jann-wenner
Artists become eligible for nomination 25 years after their first recording, which means the Hall will now begin considering acts from the 1990s, an era when traditional rock all but disappeared, and music splintered into subgenres. If significant pioneers like The Stooges (inducted on their eighth nomination) and the Sex Pistols (who failed on their first five ballots) had trouble getting inducted, how much harder will it be for Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson and other recent pop stars? "It was easy enough in the beginning," says Jann Wenner, 69, chairman of the Rock Hall Foundation and founder, editor and publisher of Rolling Stone. "But at this point, all the clear, obvious people have been inducted, and it comes down to personal taste."
"With Chuck Berry or The Rolling Stones, the decision was a no-brainer," adds a nominating committee veteran. "There aren’t many no-brainers now."
Joan Jett: 'There Should Be More Women' in the Rock Hall of Fame
There are significant benefits to induction, both emotional and financial: Sales of Fleetwood Mac albums increased 600 percent when it entered the Hall in 1998, and after their inductions, Wanda Jackson and Roy Orbison had lion-in-winter renaissances. It’s difficult to predict the Hall’s future decisions, however, because the committee deliberates behind a moated wall. In 2011, Jon Landau, 67 -- who manages Bruce Springsteen and chairs the nominating committee -- told The New York Times, "We’ve done a good job of keeping the proceedings nontransparent. It all dies in the room." When Billboard approached committee members for interviews, even people known for being outspoken turned silent. A prominent music publicist said his artists were "all scared to talk," even though several "have hard-ons for the Hall. They’re afraid of not getting inducted."
Did anyone read the Billboard article? Basically it's about the difficult that the Holy Trinity (Janet, Mariah, and Whitney) among others have and will face being inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Janet has come the closest but she still hasn't made it through.
Some are arguing in the comment section that Mariah and Whitney aren't "technically" rock and roll and they've never made rock and roll songs so they "don't belong?"
What do you think, should those three be inducted? Should they start a Pop Hall of Fame?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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How is Mariah not an obvious choice.
She's rock enough, there's a guitar intro in one of the songs on her debut
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Originally posted by doonerr
How is Mariah not an obvious choice.
She's rock enough, there's a guitar intro in one of the songs on her debut
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Member Since: 3/21/2012
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Originally posted by doonerr
How is Mariah not an obvious choice.
She's rock enough, there's a guitar intro in one of the songs on her debut
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Lol oh really
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Member Since: 10/1/2008
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Whitney! And now!
Many pop artists have been inducted...Donna Summer, ABBA, Madonna..I mean..all those 60's girls groups..Dusty Springfield!
Janet and Whitney are mandatory.
Mariah lacks that acclaimed product (Butterfly and TEOMM were close but I'm not quite sure..).
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It's essential that Janet is inducted, she's so overqualified. Whitney should also be in it, even if her music wasn't always the greatest. I'd like to see Mariah in it but idk if she would make it.
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What is this 'rock and roll' hall of fame tbh? I don't care, and I don't think Mariah would like to be 'rock and roll' either.
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Originally posted by Migrate
What is this 'rock and roll' hall of fame tbh? I don't care, and I don't think Mariah would like to be 'rock and roll' either.
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The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum is a museum located on the shore of Lake Erie in downtown Cleveland, Ohio, United States. It is dedicated to archiving the history of some of the best-known and most influential artists, producers, engineers and others who have, in some major way, influenced the music industry.
A nominating committee composed of rock and roll historians (artists, executives, etc.) selects names for the "Performers" category (singers, vocal groups, bands, and instrumentalists of all kinds), which are then voted on by roughly five hundred experts across the world. Those selected to vote include academics, journalists, producers, and others with music industry experience. Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists' contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll. To be selected for induction, performers must receive the highest number of votes, and also greater than 50% of the votes. Around five to seven performers are inducted each year.
It's so stupid how Janet has multiple albums listed in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame as classics, but still can't get inducted, WTF?
It is seen as a HUGE honor and big accomplishment when someone is inducted which pisses me off that Whitney, Janet, and Mariah will have to fight so hard to get in when people like Madonna had very little problem.
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None of them have enough credibility with the people behind it. They're all seen as manufactured (which is true, bar Janet - who still has her name), none of them were very provocative, their stuff (especially with Mariah and Whitney) is seen as kinda generic/mostly just a vehicle for their voices/performance/star power, etc. 
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Originally posted by Cest_La_Vie
It is seen as a HUGE honor and big accomplishment when someone is inducted which pisses me off that Whitney, Janet, and Mariah will have to fight so hard to get in when people like Madonna had very little problem.
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What do you mean by "people like Madonna"? You mean people like the most successful female recording artist of all time, cultural icon, sexual firebrand, "lightening rod for religious controversy", feminist provocateur and maker of 25 years' worth of some of the most acclaimed pop music and performance ever? 
Madge, unlike the three women you made this thread about, is indispensable in discourse about the history of popular music. Her absence from the Hall would've been very conspicuous. And even then, there was a good deal of opposition to her induction because she's a pop artist.
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It would be so embarrassing if some of them are inducted. 
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Whitney looks like Professor Snape dressed as a burglar. Bye.
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Originally posted by Mr. Fahrenheit
None of them have enough credibility with the people behind it. They're all seen as manufactured (which is true, bar Janet - who still has her name), none of them were very provocative, their stuff (especially with Mariah and Whitney) is seen as kinda generic/mostly just a vehicle for their voices/performance/star power, etc.
What do you mean by "people like Madonna"? You mean people like the most successful female recording artist of all time, cultural icon, sexual firebrand, "lightening rod for religious controversy", feminist provocateur and maker of 25 years' worth of some of the most acclaimed pop music and performance ever?
Madge, unlike the three women you made this thread about, is indispensable in discourse about the history of popular music. Her absence from the Hall would've been very conspicuous. And even then, there was a good deal of opposition to her induction because she's a pop artist. |
How is Janet's music generic? I agree about Whitney and Mariah, but there is nothing generic about Janet's music. She has 4 consecutive acclaimed albums by respectable publications including Rolling Stone and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. She has covered a wide array of styles both musically and lyrically. I know you're a Madonna fan and typically Madonna fans use her accomplishments to look down on her contemporaries, but at least be objective here. You can't deny her influence on the industry and how she is still being emulated by just as many artists as Madonna is. You also can't say albums like Control, Rhythm Nation or The Velvet Rope are generic. If anything Madonna's first couple releases were just generic pop songs until she really became an artist with Like A Prayer.
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Originally posted by Mr. Fahrenheit
None of them have enough credibility with the people behind it. They're all seen as manufactured (which is true, bar Janet - who still has her name), none of them were very provocative, their stuff (especially with Mariah and Whitney) is seen as kinda generic/mostly just a vehicle for their voices/performance/star power, etc. |
The guidelines you've outlined are not necessary for induction into the Hall, as evident by past and current inductees. As far as not having enough credibility, that has nothing to do with it. Sans Aretha, Whitney is the standard for singing and vocalists for both male and female singers/vocalists. It's quite ironic that you call Whitney and Mariah manufactured when the focal point of their artistry is God given and, notwithstanding, obvious.
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Originally posted by Mr. Fahrenheit
What do you mean by "people like Madonna"? You mean people like the most successful female recording artist of all time, cultural icon, sexual firebrand, "lightening rod for religious controversy", feminist provocateur and maker of 25 years' worth of some of the most acclaimed pop music and performance ever?
Madge, unlike the three women you made this thread about, is indispensable in discourse about the history of popular music. Her absence from the Hall would've been very conspicuous. And even then, there was a good deal of opposition to her induction because she's a pop artist. |
The same argument could be made about the women who are the topic of this thread. Aforementioned, Whitney's voice box is the standard. Mariah's is standard as well, but not too the degree of Whitney. If Janet's influence wasn't downplayed by the media in favor of artists who have taken cues from her (Madonna, MJ, Prince), her omission would be questionable as well. But not every artist feels the need to assert themselves. They'd rather let their work be the voice.
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Originally posted by doonerr
How is Mariah not an obvious choice.
She's rock enough, there's a guitar intro in one of the songs on her debut
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Nothin but the truth. Queen Mariah wrote a rock anthem herself and covered another one.
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I would love to see them all get in TBH.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Mariah should be inducted based solely on her rock 'n roll hymn YOU NEED ME
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Y'all are forgetting BOTH 
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I want to know what love is is a slow rock too
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Member Since: 2/25/2012
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Originally posted by Shaliydah88
I would love to see them all get in TBH.
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Same. It's probably going to be YEARS though if not decades.
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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The reason why you made this thread is because you´re pressed over Madonna´s induction
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