Artists ARE underpaid and that is the driving force behind TIDAL. That is why it's the focus point when speaking on the platform.
And it's also NOT our problem that they're underpaid. Does no one realize that the root of these issues come from the LABELS? Aka something WE can't control? even if artists make 4 or 5 times the money from Tidal that they make from Spotify, that's still miniscule compared to what they make from real sales. Even if Tidal is paying more out to labels, how much of that money does the artist see? It's been true for years that artists make most of their money from touring.
Like really this is just the world that we live in now and it's something that artists need to accept. With the digital age comes piracy and nothing will ever stop that, and as long as Spotify offers a free option, people will continue to be less compelled to pay for streaming. Tidal will never see success like Spotify's simply because they don't have a free option, so no matter how much they push it and no matter how many celebrities are backing it, when it comes to the point that the consumer has to open their wallet, they'll always go with the free option... Spotify. And if they're compelled to upgrade at some point, odds are they'll upgrade from within... Spotify. The only way Tidal can really break ground is by offering a free version too. If the people behind it are as passionate about the cause as they say they are, they should have no problem reducing their margins a little to put art in the forefront
The only people liking this and defending it being the hardcore Bey fans.
Again, no one really cares about having an "all-in-one website". People will still use Netflix, Ticketmaster, and Spotify and they won't bother switching. It's as simple as that.
i love hearing this. this is the type of stuff i expected to be announced during the stream. i have faith that this is going to work just bc of the talent behind it, you can tell they all believe in it and will put in a lot of work. they can do it.
i guess the stream wasn't bad anyway bc at least it has ppl talking, that's a good startup, everyone will be aware of it. than they can just release all the features and stuff slowly.
The only people liking this and defending it being the hardcore Bey fans.
Again, no one really cares about having an "all-in-one website". People will still use Netflix, Ticketmaster, and Spotify and they won't bother switching. It's as simple as that.
So evidentally, they must be the ones who are most rational compared to all the other fanbases who just hate for the sake of hating. Y'all arent even able to argue in a proper manner and evaluate what you're reading, all you do is skim through these interviews, look for one particular statement that can be dragged, and then proceed to hate. It's getting lame after a while.
The only people liking this and defending it being the hardcore Bey fans.
Again, no one really cares about having an "all-in-one website". People will still use Netflix, Ticketmaster, and Spotify and they won't bother switching. It's as simple as that.
You may be able to download a song for free, but you're not getting into concerts for free.
They just don't get it!
People have been turned off to this exactly because of this money-centric hostility towards the consumer. Outwardly this just feels like thinly-veiled greed and bitterness from multi-millionaires, who blame you and you personally for them not have a few more coins get a damn PR team you morons, this is a disaster.
People have been turned off to this exactly because of this money-centric hostility towards the consumer. Outwardly this just feels like thinly-veiled greed and bitterness from multi-millionaires, who blame you and you personally for them not have a few more coins get a damn PR team you morons, this is a disaster.
No, you "just don't get it"
If you're not into their offerings, don't use it but they have things no one else does/will
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TIDAL is making a strong effort to bring the value of music back into the forefront of the discussion. How far is the company willing to go to convey that message?
J: Our whole thing is transparency — I think there does need to be transparency. If you went to Bordeaux or something, to look at wine, you'd probably think, "Oh, this is some bougie ****." But if you went and you saw the craftsmanship, the work that went behind it, and someone's gotta be picking the grapes, and the whole thing — if you saw the process of what it takes to make an album, maybe you'd have a great appreciation for it as well. So I just think that there needs to be a bit more transparency. I've got another great idea that I wish I could share with you all about that sort of thing in particular, and it'll be coming soon, in the next couple of months, and hopefully it'll be exactly what you want.
We're getting more than just music, we're going to be getting documentaries, independent films, documentaries of the albums artists are creating, exclusive music videos, exclusive songs, probably early access to concert tickets and so on
If you don't want to pay $9.99 or $5.00 (probably what the student disc will be), then don't, but I sure will.
If you're not into their offerings, don't use it but they have things no one else does/will
We're getting more than just music, we're going to be getting documentaries, independent films, documentaries of the albums artists are creating, exclusive music videos, exclusive songs, probably early access to concert tickets and so on
If you don't want to pay $9.99 or $5.00 (probably what the student disc will be), then don't, but I sure will.
I didn't say anything about me personally using it?
I was referring to why this whole thing has backfired. None of them understand why consumers would be anything less than sympathetic, and nice as these new features are Jay-Z is still maintaining this off-putting attitude. Marketing-wise, they are clueless.
I didn't say anything about me personally using it?
I was referring to why this whole thing has backfired. None of them understand why consumers would be anything less than sympathetic, and nice as these new features are Jay-Z is still maintaining this off-putting attitude. Marketing-wise, they are clueless.
Anyone takling bad about Tidal should read the interview, it's very informative. People think they know what's going on and they don't, the probably is an issue with marketing. The thing is though, it couldn't be further from the truth.
This gives reality about what really happens in the industry as a whole, not just the artist.
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What exactly were the contents of the document that was signed during the press conference?
J: Just a declaration that we're going to work really hard to improve what's going on in the pay system as we know it. You guys may have seen some of the stats like, Aloe Blacc had a song that was streamed 168 million times and he got paid $4,000. For us, it's not us standing here saying we're poor musicians. If you provide a service, you should be compensated for it. And not just artists — just think about the writers and the producers. Like an artist can go do a Pepsi deal or something — I shouldn't have singled out Pepsi — but they can go get an endorsement deal somewhere and you know, go on tour and sustain themselves, it helps their lifestyle. But what about the writers who do that for a living? The producers? That's it for them. What about Jahlil Beats, who produced Bobby Shmurda's "Hot N**ga"? He went on to get a $2 million record deal or whatever, and Jahlil Beats just put the song out. So he wasn't compensated for that song at all. There are dozens — more than dozens, there are thousands and thousands of those sorts of stories of someone who worked at their craft, worked really hard at the studio, they did their job and people loved it and consumed it and they just went home. I think we'll lose a lot of great writers in the future because you have to do something else, because you can't sustain a lifestyle, and I think that's a shame. That someone has that talent and just isn't being compensated because someone needed a business to profit off of their work. And we've seen that time and time again, we've seen it time and time again. Companies that pretend to care about music and really care about other things — whether it be hardware, whether it be advertising — and now they look at music as a loss leader. And we know music isn't a loss leader, music is an important part of our lives.
even if artists make 4 or 5 times the money from Tidal that they make from Spotify, that's still miniscule compared to what they make from real sales. Even if Tidal is paying more out to labels, how much of that money does the artist see? It's been true for years that artists make most of their money from touring. 
get a damn PR team you morons, this is a disaster.