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News: "Gays, stop appropriating black women" -Womens rights group
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I had a number of problems with this.
Let me start by saying that of course saying you have a strong black woman inside of you when you as a white person is cringe worthy as hell and also quite racist. I do not believe it is really all that common but I know of a few cases of it happening. Perez got into a twitter row over him saying this for example. Also crap like calling a black woman sister when you are not black is also racist and it makes a mockery of the African American community.
However as many have pointed out this "culture" for the most part isn't actually appropriated from black women, if anything it's black women who appropriated it from underground lgbt culture. The whole issue with appropriation is a majority taking something from a minority and making a mockery of it and or using it for profit. So it's not a problem that some black women have taken this stuff on, I only wish that the (mostly white feminists) who came up with this policy could see that this also applies to gay people even if they are white and male. It seems like white gay men are being judged their by their whiteness and maleness first and (other than the ones who say the racist crap I mentioned earlier) are being unfairly represented.
This idea comes from a famous article by a black woman about this very subject where she fairly pointed out that some of the behavior displayed by some gay white men is appropriation and is racist. She also promoted the incredibly homophobic idea that the fact that gay people can just pretend they aren't gay is some sort of privilege and that being gay really isn't all that bad when you are white male. I think it's a shame that few were willing to call her out on that. If a straight white man said something like that people would be calling for his head but she sadly seemed to mostly get away with it. The point about generalizations is also fair, it helps not to generalize. As for the white gay men being criticized for feeling attacked and defending themselves, well how did you expect them to act. You can criticize without generalizing, I would never say "black people stop being so homophobic" because that would be a generalization and an unfair attack on an oppressed group. Even though black culture in america is known to be quite homophobic, it's not my place as an outsider to generalize like that.
The worst part for me (and the part that made the true intent of this obvious) was the little lecture on privilege and how white gay men are monopolizing the lgbt community. Yes white gay men have white privilege and male privilege and this is completely irrelevant to the subject. Straight white women are often accused of appropriating black female culture too and they have white privilege and straight privilege but are they banned from tweaking like Miley? Nope, ofc not. This is part of the issue I have with a lot of the modern white feminist movement. Feminism is all about internationalism now which is great but not when they are appropriating other rights movements and enforcing their rules onto them. White feminists are trying to appeal to minorities by putting down white gay men who are an easy target. Yes it's great to promote other lgbt voices who are under represented but not by unfairly putting marginalized people down. So lets hope this idea stays where it is and doesn't result in a bunch of hate towards gay people for the crime of being "sassy".
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Originally posted by Mikeymoonshine
I had a number of problems with this.
Let me start by saying that of course saying you have a strong black woman inside of you when you as a white person is cringe worthy as hell and also quite racist. I do not believe it is really all that common but I know of a few cases of it happening. Perez got into a twitter row over him saying this for example. Also crap like calling a black woman sister when you are not black is also racist and it makes a mockery of the African American community.
However as many have pointed out this "culture" for the most part isn't actually appropriated from black women, if anything it's black women who appropriated it from underground lgbt culture. The whole issue with appropriation is a majority taking something from a minority and making a mockery of it and or using it for profit. So it's not a problem that some black women have taken this stuff on, I only wish that the (mostly white feminists) who came up with this policy could see that this also applies to gay people even if they are white and male. It seems like white gay men are being judged their by their whiteness and maleness first and (other than the ones who say the racist crap I mentioned earlier) are being unfairly represented.
This idea comes from a famous article by a black woman about this very subject where she fairly pointed out that some of the behavior displayed by some gay white men is appropriation and is racist. She also promoted the incredibly homophobic idea that the fact that gay people can just pretend they aren't gay is some sort of privilege and that being gay really isn't all that bad when you are white male. I think it's a shame that few were willing to call her out on that. If a straight white man said something like that people would be calling for his head but she sadly seemed to mostly get away with it. The point about generalizations is also fair, it helps not to generalize. As for the white gay men being criticized for feeling attacked and defending themselves, well how did you expect them to act. You can criticize without generalizing, I would never say "black people stop being so homophobic" because that would be a generalization and an unfair attack on an oppressed group. Even though black culture in america is known to be quite homophobic, it's not my place as an outsider to generalize like that.
The worst part for me (and the part that made the true intent of this obvious) was the little lecture on privilege and how white gay men are monopolizing the lgbt community. Yes white gay men have white privilege and male privilege and this is completely irrelevant to the subject. Straight white women are often accused of appropriating black female culture too and they have white privilege and straight privilege but are they banned from tweaking like Miley? Nope, ofc not. This is part of the issue I have with a lot of the modern white feminist movement. Feminism is all about internationalism now which is great but not when they are appropriating other rights movements and enforcing their rules onto them. White feminists are trying to appeal to minorities by putting down white gay men who are an easy target. Yes it's great to promote other lgbt voices who are under represented but not by unfairly putting marginalized people down. So lets hope this idea stays where it is and doesn't result in a bunch of hate towards gay people for the crime of being "sassy".
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well said
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i mean, i understand why people get angry and upset over lots of different aspects of cultural appropriation - like things are sacred to a culture for instance. but slang words? come on. its a bit different that a white gay man says "yass slay hunty" compared to a white person wearing a Native American war bonnet or something. But agree that it's wrong to say they have a "black woman inside them" or to purposely imitate black women bc thats dehumanizing.
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are black womans a culture or something or a type of alien?? where they live in the Mountains
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Originally posted by Infinite
are black womans a culture or something or a type of alien?? where they live in the Mountains
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Or you bitches can just give credit accordingly and stop taking it. That's when we'll get over it!
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Shut the **** up
I can do whatever I want.
Screw the fact that you are black and I is white.
We can act how we want to.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I am just gonna state the obvious: we have a doppelgänger in our midst. As an artist who respects creative integrity and intellectual property, I am disgusted at how much you have copied my husband. From the hair to the suit, do you not have any value or respect for originality? You’re a laughing stock, it’s cheesy, it’s disgusting. I personally found it absolutely artistically atrocious. I am embarrassed to be sitting here in your presence having to even dignify you with an answer of my opinion.
-Women's Right Movement @ Gays "Approprating Black Women.."
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Originally posted by shenzi
Can't say I fully agree, but it has been scientifically proven that white gay men (actually most white people in general) fucking SUCK.
I mean, only a pasty, ignorant faggot would say 3/4 of the **** posted in this thread.
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What kind of bitter mess
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Originally posted by shenzi
Can't say I fully agree, but it has been scientifically proven that white gay men (actually most white people in general) fucking SUCK.
I mean, only a pasty, ignorant faggot would say 3/4 of the **** posted in this thread.
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what does that make you then?
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Originally posted by Silence.
I just want to pin point one thing, most if not all of 'gay vernacular' originates from 30s ball culture. An underground gay club pageant circuit that allowed people to embrace their sexuality and gender identity in a safe setting during a time where it was outlawed. So a lot of the time that people speaking on behalf of 'black woman's' language saying that the gays are appropriating it ..it was actually appropriated by black women who included it into their own vernacular because of the intersect of gay culture and 'beauty parlour culture'.
This is not even acknowledging the shift to this day where black women on every reality tv show now come equipped with a gay whose language they adopt. But I don't see anyone on that side getting clocked everytime a woman on screen comes dripping in drag. Which is .. interesting.
But then again people love shaping their identity around playing the victim.
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Originally posted by Mikeymoonshine
I had a number of problems with this.
Let me start by saying that of course saying you have a strong black woman inside of you when you as a white person is cringe worthy as hell and also quite racist. I do not believe it is really all that common but I know of a few cases of it happening. Perez got into a twitter row over him saying this for example. Also crap like calling a black woman sister when you are not black is also racist and it makes a mockery of the African American community.
However as many have pointed out this "culture" for the most part isn't actually appropriated from black women, if anything it's black women who appropriated it from underground lgbt culture. The whole issue with appropriation is a majority taking something from a minority and making a mockery of it and or using it for profit. So it's not a problem that some black women have taken this stuff on, I only wish that the (mostly white feminists) who came up with this policy could see that this also applies to gay people even if they are white and male. It seems like white gay men are being judged their by their whiteness and maleness first and (other than the ones who say the racist crap I mentioned earlier) are being unfairly represented.
This idea comes from a famous article by a black woman about this very subject where she fairly pointed out that some of the behavior displayed by some gay white men is appropriation and is racist. She also promoted the incredibly homophobic idea that the fact that gay people can just pretend they aren't gay is some sort of privilege and that being gay really isn't all that bad when you are white male. I think it's a shame that few were willing to call her out on that. If a straight white man said something like that people would be calling for his head but she sadly seemed to mostly get away with it. The point about generalizations is also fair, it helps not to generalize. As for the white gay men being criticized for feeling attacked and defending themselves, well how did you expect them to act. You can criticize without generalizing, I would never say "black people stop being so homophobic" because that would be a generalization and an unfair attack on an oppressed group. Even though black culture in america is known to be quite homophobic, it's not my place as an outsider to generalize like that.
The worst part for me (and the part that made the true intent of this obvious) was the little lecture on privilege and how white gay men are monopolizing the lgbt community. Yes white gay men have white privilege and male privilege and this is completely irrelevant to the subject. Straight white women are often accused of appropriating black female culture too and they have white privilege and straight privilege but are they banned from tweaking like Miley? Nope, ofc not. This is part of the issue I have with a lot of the modern white feminist movement. Feminism is all about internationalism now which is great but not when they are appropriating other rights movements and enforcing their rules onto them. White feminists are trying to appeal to minorities by putting down white gay men who are an easy target. Yes it's great to promote other lgbt voices who are under represented but not by unfairly putting marginalized people down. So lets hope this idea stays where it is and doesn't result in a bunch of hate towards gay people for the crime of being "sassy".
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Very good posts
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
So instead of saying "yaaaassss" now we have to say "yaaassss, brought to you by black women"?
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Very good posts
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I should update my point coz I unfairly accused black women of appropriating. Ball culture was started by black and Latino drag queens and trans women but it diversified. It was inspired by their mothers (so yes black women) and a lot of the words and figures of speech come from those women. The culture itself though was not created by black women just inspired by them. It was developed in an LGBT lead community that while mostly being POC's was still quite diverse. The lgbt community took a lot from the ball scene and that community has inspired a lot of people including modern black women (like Beyonce who has said as much). So I don't think it truly belongs to anyone. To say white gay men stole it from black women or are copying them seems incredibly unfair to me. They are just emulating lgbt culture and the gay scene. That culture has taken bits from everywhere and that isn't wrong. LGBT people had no culture because they were marginalized (and still are) so they had to create their own.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Or you bitches can just give credit accordingly and stop taking it. That's when we'll get over it!
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I don't act like them or use their strange slang, which in itself is appropriation and abrogation of the English language, but what are people supposed to do? Start quoting references and handing out notes with citations on every time they 'appropriate' a mannerism. Who should they cite as the initial source for their mannerisms and language? Sometimes parts of one culture permeate into another, before disseminating even further. This entire thing is feeling very Natalia Kills X Factor debacle. I don't see how somebody can claim entire ownership of mannerisms and slang.
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It is so funny to me how passionate people are about things that don't exist like cultural appropriation and "ownership" of language. It's not different than people frothing at the mouth about Jesus and the Bible.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Or you bitches can just give credit accordingly and stop taking it. That's when we'll get over it!
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This. Unfortunately America was founded on stealing from others...why stop now after hundreds of years? Something will have to happen within the black community for us to elevate ourselves and stop waiting on approval and acceptance from a group of people who will never understand or respect us.
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For people saying "they should stop using English", they were forced into slavery and forced into using English (even though slave masters didn't even want them knowing how to read and write, or educated at all). They didn't steal the language, though.
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It's not even gay people anymore. Stuff like "yas" and "slay" are practically used by everybody nowadays, especially on social media.
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Azealia said this but yall slandered her.
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Originally posted by Mikeymoonshine
I had a number of problems with this.
Let me start by saying that of course saying you have a strong black woman inside of you when you as a white person is cringe worthy as hell and also quite racist. I do not believe it is really all that common but I know of a few cases of it happening. Perez got into a twitter row over him saying this for example. Also crap like calling a black woman sister when you are not black is also racist and it makes a mockery of the African American community.
However as many have pointed out this "culture" for the most part isn't actually appropriated from black women, if anything it's black women who appropriated it from underground lgbt culture. The whole issue with appropriation is a majority taking something from a minority and making a mockery of it and or using it for profit. So it's not a problem that some black women have taken this stuff on, I only wish that the (mostly white feminists) who came up with this policy could see that this also applies to gay people even if they are white and male. It seems like white gay men are being judged their by their whiteness and maleness first and (other than the ones who say the racist crap I mentioned earlier) are being unfairly represented.
This idea comes from a famous article by a black woman about this very subject where she fairly pointed out that some of the behavior displayed by some gay white men is appropriation and is racist. She also promoted the incredibly homophobic idea that the fact that gay people can just pretend they aren't gay is some sort of privilege and that being gay really isn't all that bad when you are white male. I think it's a shame that few were willing to call her out on that. If a straight white man said something like that people would be calling for his head but she sadly seemed to mostly get away with it. The point about generalizations is also fair, it helps not to generalize. As for the white gay men being criticized for feeling attacked and defending themselves, well how did you expect them to act. You can criticize without generalizing, I would never say "black people stop being so homophobic" because that would be a generalization and an unfair attack on an oppressed group. Even though black culture in america is known to be quite homophobic, it's not my place as an outsider to generalize like that.
The worst part for me (and the part that made the true intent of this obvious) was the little lecture on privilege and how white gay men are monopolizing the lgbt community. Yes white gay men have white privilege and male privilege and this is completely irrelevant to the subject. Straight white women are often accused of appropriating black female culture too and they have white privilege and straight privilege but are they banned from tweaking like Miley? Nope, ofc not. This is part of the issue I have with a lot of the modern white feminist movement. Feminism is all about internationalism now which is great but not when they are appropriating other rights movements and enforcing their rules onto them. White feminists are trying to appeal to minorities by putting down white gay men who are an easy target. Yes it's great to promote other lgbt voices who are under represented but not by unfairly putting marginalized people down. So lets hope this idea stays where it is and doesn't result in a bunch of hate towards gay people for the crime of being "sassy".
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why are you suggesting being white and male is a bad thing tho?
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