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News: Daughter of Two Moms Comes Out Against Gay Marriage: Update
Member Since: 3/1/2014
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Originally posted by Penk
"Family Research Council isn't a legitimate source of research."
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I can't post the link to the paper it's on a pay site that has all the data sets they are just citing points of the paper they didn't do the research. If you look in the article you can see the citations at the bottom.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Bang Up
Now you're just pulling up hypothetical situations to fit your argument. Odds are that most kids of same-sex parents probably have a female figure in their lives, whether it be their two moms or a grandmother, a godmother, an aunt, etc. Same-sex parenting doesn't always mean the kids are completely devoid of opposite-sex influences as a lot of same-sex parents have friends and family members of the opposite sex.
But ask yourself this: growing up, did you yearn for the affection of someone else's parents? When you saw people at school with their parents, did you wish to have their parents, or were you totally happy with what you had? If it's the latter, that's exactly how kids of same-sex parents feel. Sure, maybe they'll question why their family is different, but they don't yearn for the love and affection of someone else when they have two loving parents.
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Well you're just repeating all I said before. I'm not against gay parenting, I had just said gay parents should make an effort to have someone of the opposite sex be present for that kid. Like you just listed, an aunt, uncle, god-parent etc.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Chucko
Whether her dad was a deadbeat or not is irrelevant, he was not in her life growing up and that was not within her control as a child. The same issues apply to straight single mom and dad families. It is her opinion that the ideal situation is one where a child is raised by a mother and father but we all know the world is not an ideal place. She is also not alone in thinking this and simply attacking anyone that disagrees with you on it is not going to change any minds.
So the author can sympathize with her but at the same time says she is fabricating her feelings. In her case being abandoned did change her, she clearly states it did and that is how she formed her opinion.
new-study-on-homosexual-parents-tops-all-previous-research
This study is the largest ever done and shows that children of same sex couples do suffer disadvantages over children raised by an "intact biological family".
You can choose to believe what you want, I am not against gay marriage or them having kids but I am also not going turn a blind eye to the data either. |
Mmm Mark Regnerus was descredited in COURT several times and if FRC had their way they would recriminalize homosexuality. Not a guess, they say it themselves both directly and indirectly.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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You ain't no daughter of ours hun.
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Member Since: 3/1/2014
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
Mmm Mark Regnerus was descredited in COURT several times and if FRC had their way they would recriminalize homosexuality. Not a guess, they say it themselves both directly and indirectly.
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I didn't know much about him and I was sloppy in my research, when I searched the paper I didn't see anything bad pop up on this guy, thanks for pointing this out and I stand corrected.
Edit: Wow and he was in a Michigan court and I never heard about this now I feel like an idiot.
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Member Since: 6/18/2012
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her argument is fking stupid though.
It has nothing to do with them being lesbians.
Even if her mother married to a dif guy, he'd never replace her real father anyway, like she SAID at the end so.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Honestly, who cares? Let this woman have her opinion.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Chucko
I didn't know much about him and I was sloppy in my research, when I searched the paper I didn't see anything bad pop up on this guy, thanks for pointing this out and I stand corrected.
Edit: Wow and he was in a Michigan court and I never heard about this now I feel like an idiot.
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No problem. Yeah the judge's verdict was actually quoted by others: (his) views are not that of serious people
He was GRILLED.
By the way, it's your states defendants that will carry the title of the Supreme Court case seeking to legalize gay marriage I believe
DeBoer 
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I read the title and was confused when I started reading the main body. Is she for or against? 
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Member Since: 3/1/2014
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
No problem. Yeah the judge's verdict was actually quoted by others: (his) views are not that of serious people
He was GRILLED.
By the way, it's your states defendants that will carry the title of the Supreme Court case seeking to legalize gay marriage I believe
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DeBoer v. Snyder
I just read all 64 pages of the Sixth Circuit ruling because I hate that I missed this and I don't like being so badly mistaken but there are so few hours in the day for me keep track of these things. Gay Marriage is going to eventually be in all the states so I don't worry that much about it. My not being gay probably doesn't help my lack of following but I have family that is and they keep up with things.
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Member Since: 8/19/2011
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I'm truly embarrassed by her lack of logic. I'm even more embarrassed that someone thought there was enough coherent thought to publish an article. I'm probably MOST embarrassed for the people on here who think her logic is sound and support her 
I hope her botched-abortion ass has multiple miscarriages! Bless!
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Member Since: 6/5/2011
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But isn't the same logic applicable to a child raised by a single mother? Devoid of a father figure?
She has a point so to speak but she's blaming it on gay parenting rather than try and reconnect with her dad...
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Member Since: 3/30/2011
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I can't be bothered to argue her point, I'm just going to point out the obvious reason she's ****ing stupid: this isn't an argument at all against gay marriage, even if it was a valid argument it would be one against gay adoption. This is such a moronic, annoying straw man. Sorry if I seem terse but this is used so much and it's just so dumb, why can't people learn the (extremely basic) rules of discourse before embarrassing themselves? like you're 31, how are you still dense enough to make such a basic error?
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Member Since: 3/16/2012
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Originally posted by Chucko
DeBoer v. Snyder
I just read all 64 pages of the Sixth Circuit ruling because I hate that I missed this and I don't like being so badly mistaken but there are so few hours in the day for me keep track of these things. Gay Marriage is going to eventually be in all the states so I don't worry that much about it. My not being gay probably doesn't help my lack of following but I have family that is and they keep up with things.
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DeBoer's petitioner's brief to SCOTUS is amazing. You should read it if you have the time.
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She clearly won't solve the issue of absent parents, parents who abandon their kids, etc. So, her whole argument is invalid. She's basically saying gay parents (who don't have an opposite-sex partner) should stay single, she's saying orphans shouldn't be adopted by gay parents either. What an ungrateful girl. She thinks she sounds intelligent, above us who support gay marriage but she doesn't. She sounds imprudent and ignorant.
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Member Since: 4/23/2007
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Originally posted by Singer.
Honestly, who cares? Let this woman have her opinion.
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We should care. This is an opinion a lot of hating, ignorant people will "value" because it comes from a "valid" source who has lived through this. Furthermore, even if you counter with "it's better to have two loving parents than one or none", they'll counter back with "no, according to children raised by gay parents, even if they're 'happy' or 'grateful', it's not a good idea to be raised by same-sex couples". This girl is just perpetuating hate.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Disown this ungrateful idiot.
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Member Since: 3/6/2014
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I don't understand her logic. Her father abandoned her and was essentially a deadbeat and yet she still would have rather been raised by him than a woman who cared about her and loved her?
Like just because you have daddy issues doesn't mean that everybody else does and that literally has nothing to do with gay marriage anyway. Her lack of a father figure was due to her father's decision to not be in her life, it has nothing to do with her mother marrying a woman. Some of us would rather be raised by 2 people who actually love us than somebody who doesn't give a **** about us just so that we can say we had a father. The argument she is attempting to make is very selfish and deluded
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