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News: Teacher worked one day suing for $30,000 pension
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Teacher worked one day suing for $30,000 pension
Union lobbyist worked one day as a teacher suing for $30,000 pension. Guess the state? Illinois!
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After working one day as a substitute teacher in Illinois, David Piccioli could be entitled to an annual pension of more than $30,000.
And he's suing the state to make sure he gets paid.
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Piccioli is already collecting $31,000 annually from the Teacher Retirement System, but he could get an additional $36,000 annually if he wins his case. He's also collecting a $30,000-pension from a different state retirement system for his time as a legislative aide in Springfield, according to the Tribune.
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Piccioli is a retired lobbyist for the Illinois Federation of Teachers and never worked in a classroom, but he took advantage of a loophole in Illinois pension law to score his teaching pension.
In 2007, he worked one day as a substitute teacher at a Springfield school. Under Illinois pension law, that one day in the classroom allowed him to qualify for a pension that would pay him for all of his years of work as a member of the union.
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The state’s pension funds are underfunded by more than $100 billion — not including Chicago’s pension funds, which are handled separately and are another $63 billion in debt — and are generally viewed as the worst state pension funds in the entire nation.
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Not bad for 1 days work and people wonder why our schools are so bad teachers can't be fired and people trying to scam the system like this. They need to get rid of the teachers unions, the Department of Education place the schools back in the hands of the states and reward teachers greatly by their performance.
Jimmy Carter created the Department of Education as a political payoff to the teachers’ unions for their 1976 endorsement and like anything we should judge it by its performance and it has only made things worse.
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Unions are essential and although this guy is a lazy idiot, other teachers work their asses off and get paid ****!
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get rid of the teachers unions
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I though the state was gonna be Florida.... Not gonna lie.... 
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Originally posted by Giliap
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Why not, explain how they are helping?
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what the **** lazy ass bitch
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Originally posted by Chucko
Why not, explain how they are helping?
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Here's how, Teachers go to school for years and have major loans, like everyone else, but are paid significantly less than other professionals associated with them. They deserve to be paid more and they should fight until they are.
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Hmm this is a good idea.. .. ...
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Originally posted by nd01
Unions are essential and although this guy is a lazy idiot, other teachers work their asses off and get paid ****!
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The average teacher salary is $61,000 in Michigan the national average is 31,000 starting. I don't have a problem with a teacher making an average 80-90k and starting at 50k but they have to be good and they have to be able to be fired based on performance and conduct. I don't even care if they end up making 150k+ if they are that good they deserve whatever they can get.
My major problem is the unions protect and shuffle around the bad teachers and the kids suffer for it.
We built a new elementary school in our area back in 2005-2006 that is being torn down as I write this. Why? Because the unions blocked it from becoming a charter school there is not enough kids in district to fill it. The irony is the land was donated and put in trust to be used only for a school so they tore it down just because they didn't want a charter school there.
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I hate teacher unions so much. Exploiting teacher's fears to make them join, and then manipulating or lying to them in order to follow an agenda which sacrifices student wellbeing to make sure teacher's avoid accountability for their mistakes.
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Originally posted by nd01
Here's how, Teachers go to school for years and have major loans, like everyone else, but are paid significantly less than other professionals associated with them. They deserve to be paid more and they should fight until they are.
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I think we need to redo the whole structure of our system only saving the bits that work.
I would be all for suspending a teachers loan payments for 8 years and if they are still teaching have the loan paid off completely.
They don't deserve anything until they prove they deserve it. They could bump the starting pay higher but they are not entitled to anything without a track record.
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Originally posted by Chucko
The average teacher salary is $61,000 in Michigan the national average is 31,000 starting. I don't have a problem with a teacher making an average 80-90k and starting at 50k but they have to be good and they have to be able to be fired based on performance and conduct. I don't even care if they end up making 150k+ if they are that good they deserve whatever they can get.
My major problem is the unions protect and shuffle around the bad teachers and the kids suffer for it.
We built a new elementary school in our area back in 2005-2006 that is being torn down as I write this. Why? Because the unions blocked it from becoming a charter school there is not enough kids in district to fill it. The irony is the land was donated and put in trust to be used only for a school so they tore it down just because they didn't want a charter school there.
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A teacher's salary after a bachelors, a masters, and 30 additional credits (basically a 2nd masters), as well as 8 years of experience in NYC makes around 75k before taxes are taken out, part of which go into our pension.
You are assuming a system protects bad teachers, when the alternative systems proposed do not reward good teaching, but rather rewards teachers that receive students who had good early childhood education and elementary school foundations in reading, writing, and computational skills. Performance based assessment, and the way it is has been presented, puts responsibility on middle school and high school teachers to essentially perform miracles when it is already a challenge everyday to work on classroom management.
Instituting more oversight on teacher performance is not going to be helpful at all, especially in a time when there are such high turnover rates for teaching. You already have people not wanting to teach in inner-city schools for the low-skills, disciplinary problems, and plagued test scores. Creating even MORE assessment driven data-collection isnt going to inspire what you would like to achieve.
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Originally posted by L/\DY G/\G/\
A teacher's salary after a bachelors, a masters, and 30 additional credits (basically a 2nd masters), as well as 8 years of experience in NYC makes around 75k before taxes are taken out, part of which go into our pension.
You are assuming a system protects bad teachers, when the alternative systems proposed do not reward good teaching, but rather rewards teachers that receive students who had good early childhood education and elementary school foundations in reading, writing, and computational skills. Performance based assessment, and the way it is has been presented, puts responsibility on middle school and high school teachers to essentially perform miracles when it is already a challenge everyday to work on classroom management.
Instituting more oversight on teacher performance is not going to be helpful at all, especially in a time when there are such high turnover rates for teaching. You already have people not wanting to teach in inner-city schools for the low-skills, disciplinary problems, and plagued test scores. Creating even MORE assessment driven data-collection isnt going to inspire what you would like to achieve.
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I have already said teachers need to be paid more in NY it should be even more adjusted for cost of living. I am not assuming the system protects bad teachers I am stating it with absolute certainty. I have seen it going to school, I have family members in education and I read the news.
We don't need to Institute more oversight on teacher performance we just need to act on the existing oversight of their performance or if no oversight exists enact something.
Something has to change because what we have now isn't working we spend over 800 billion a year on school yet we test below countries that are spending far less per student.
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Originally posted by nd01
Here's how, Teachers go to school for years and have major loans, like everyone else, but are paid significantly less than other professionals associated with them. They deserve to be paid more and they should fight until they are.
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They are paid a market rate. The problem is there are more "teachers" than jobs.
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Originally posted by Adonis
They are paid a market rate. The problem is there are more "teachers" than jobs.
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A lot of those teachers are good teachers though and should not be dragged down by the bad ones. For example, I just got off the phone with my sister and she was telling me how my nieces kindergarten teacher was upset because she spends her free time writing story problems and solving them instead of playing or she “plays” with her iPad on the Khan Academy. She is going to be 6 in December and should be in the 4th grade but the teachers at the school have no clue on how to handle her. So now we need to look at moving her to a private school. The teacher is worried about her social development and knows full well that my niece is in dance, singing and cooking classes after school with a lot of social interaction.
Now in my field of work, the bad ones are fired or are stuck at a level where they will not make a lot of money ever and the good ones rise to make 6 figures and at my company we only hire the exceptional ones.
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They should sue him for intentional douchery
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Good old corrupt Illinois...
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