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News: Daughter of Two Moms Comes Out Against Gay Marriage: Update
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
You're assuming things just as I am, since it's impossible to speak for every child from same-sex marriages out there or to analyze every case.
Research is a tiny bit out of a population. A lot of children of same sex marriages have written letters to the Supreme Court in which they state they are AGAINST gay marriage. There must be a reason for that.
To pretend there is not. Or that they have a "homophobic stereotyping mindset" does them and the conversation a disservice.
Unlike you though, I never type as if I KNEW what children of same sex marriages feel or not. I said that based on my personal experiences and those around me, I WONDER if the children also have voids that are left unfilled.
You're saying "They don't feel any void". You don't know that. So again; you're assuming just as I am. So your OPINION is just as valid/invalid as mine then.
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Research contain a representative sample of the population. They can't logically interview everyone raised by same-sex parents, so they take a representative sample that can be applied to the appropriate population they're studying. That's how studies are done.
There are also HUNDREDS of children who are for gay marriage that are raised by same-sex parents, and thousands more who are raised by opposite-sex parents. Additionally, there are millions of people who were raised by opposite-sex parents who feel marriage is archaic, and oppressive. Surely all these individuals have a point if your small sample of children who are against same-sex marriages count?
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Originally posted by HOD
This is really disgusting tbh.
What are you even saying... a new born baby will love those who love him back, no matter what.
As if it comes into this world knowing what a mother and a father even is.
That's what get's learned in his/her life, now obviously the child will see his friends' parents being different than his/hers.
At that moment when the child starts asking questions it's simply time for the same sex parents to try and explain how love works.
That it's all the same but that the child itself also has a choice to choose whatever he/she wants.
You're really acting like same sex parents get a child purely because they want to make his or her life miserable, that's some ugly behavior right there. 
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Yeah, not even going to bother to type in a reply. Respect is a two way street.
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Member Since: 10/12/2010
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
You're assuming things just as I am, since it's impossible to speak for every child from same-sex marriages out there or to analyze every case.
Research is a tiny bit out of a population. A lot of children of same sex marriages have written letters to the Supreme Court in which they state they are AGAINST gay marriage. There must be a reason for that.
To pretend there is not. Or that they have a "homophobic stereotyping mindset" does them and the conversation a disservice.
Unlike you though, I never type as if I KNEW what children of same sex marriages feel or not. I said that based on my personal experiences and those around me, I WONDER if the children also have voids that are left unfilled.
You're saying "They don't feel any void". You don't know that. So again; you're assuming just as I am. So your OPINION is just as valid/invalid as mine then.
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No, you're wrong again.
Ever thought about the possibility that maybe these children got bullied in their puberty because of their parents' sexuality?
Teenagers are mean when it comes to that stuff and it can confuse a child of same sex marriage to who's right and wrong.
Some turn homophobic after that or have homophobic thoughts because of that.
But that doesn't mean that the parents have failed though, they might've raised, loved him/her like a normal child.
You seem to be putting the blame on the parents without realizing it.
A child growing up gets exposed to a world full of hateful and friendly people, it's a lot to mess with your head and if you're lucky the child will choose the right answers to his questions but sometimes things turn out differently.
Many things play a factor in these subjects.
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Member Since: 10/19/2010
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
Children of same sex marriages don't live in a bubble though. They live in a society in which the standard is a "mom and a dad". I have friends who were raised in single parents either because one of their parents died or wasn't in their lives and although they ARE great well rounded human beings, they've all felt the "loss" of not having a mom or a dad. We live in a society, we see and compare what we have with what others have.
I know if I grew up in a home with an abusive mom (not comparing gay parents as abusive) and a normal dad, I might look at a mom who was a great mom, and wish that my mom would be like that. The same would apply here if I had two dads/two moms and felt I was missing out (which I could feel by comparing my situation to others.)
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You see, that point doesn't necessarily make sense because with single parent households, the child may feel a loss because one of their parents may have outrightly rejected them. I think it's different to learn that your mom raised you on your own because your father didn't want to be apart of the picture versus having two parents who never left. You can't exactly compare the two scenarios. But again, this still wouldn't apply to single households who didn't even grow up with the other parent. They haven't truly experienced that loss because all they knew was that one parent.
A comparable scenario would be me being raised by two South-Asian parents. I don't look at Caucasian parents and wish I was raised by them instead.
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Member Since: 10/12/2010
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
Yeah, not even going to bother to type in a reply. Respect is a two way street.
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Surprise surprise, I don't have respect for people with your views. 
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Originally posted by Wonda
She makes a great point. Hmm v interesting.
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no she doesn't
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Originally posted by Kali.
Well some clearly do as we are here discussing this article...
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 This woman feels a void because her dad abandoned her. It has nothing to do with her two moms - as many people have said.
If all she knew was her two moms she wouldn't feel a void because that's all she would know. She would be happy with her two moms because they loved her from the beginning.
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Originally posted by Ammer
Research contain a representative sample of the population. They can't logically interview everyone raised by same-sex parents, so they take a representative sample that can be applied to the appropriate population they're studying. That's how studies are done.
There are also HUNDREDS of children who are for gay marriage that are raised by same-sex parents, and thousands more who are raised by opposite-sex parents. Additionally, there are millions of people who were raised by opposite-sex parents who feel marriage is archaic, and oppressive. Surely all these individuals have a point if your small sample of children who are against same-sex marriages count?
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I know a lot about statistics and research actually. And because a sample is never a true representation of a population, I'm weary of taking it's result as a gospel. Plenty of other factors/variable can contribute to a certain conclusion.
P.S There are plenty of research that say "same sex kids" are less happy than heterosexual couple kids. But I do not think much of those research either.
When the supreme court heard proposition 8, one of the judges actually said:
"JUSTICE SCALIA: Mr. Cooper, let me — let me give you one — one concrete thing. I don't know why you don't mention some concrete things. If you redefine marriage to include same-sex couples, you must — you must permit adoption by same-sex couples, and there's -* there's considerable disagreement among — among sociologists as to what the consequences of raising a child in a — in a single-sex family, whether that is harmful to the child or not. Some States do not — do not permit adoption by same-sex couples for that reason."
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So yeah, I don't think research done presents a clear and true view.
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Originally posted by HOD
Surprise surprise, I don't have respect for people with your views. 
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I don't care.
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Originally posted by Kali.
Well some clearly do as we are here discussing this article... Idk. I feel like most children would prefer to have a mom and a dad. I'm also saying this in the context of single parents either adopting or doing ivf. I don't feel like that person should deny a child the right to have a mom and a dad. Yes, having two same sex parents or a single parent is better than spending your life in an orphanage but there are also many straight couples willing to adopt.
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Well firstly her void is there becuase of her ****** dad not because she had 2 mothers.
Secondly if you don't grow up with something your probably won't miss. I grew up without my father and never missed him. I also prefer having one parent. It is what i know and what i am most used to.
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She shared her story with a- wait for it- Christian publication.
Long article.
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Originally posted by Ammer
You see, that point doesn't necessarily make sense because with single parent households, the child may feel a loss because one of their parents may have outrightly rejected them. I think it's different to learn that your mom raised you on your own because your father didn't want to be apart of the picture versus having two parents who never left. You can't exactly compare the two scenarios. But again, this still wouldn't apply to single households who didn't even grow up with the other parent. They haven't truly experienced that loss because all they knew was that one parent.
A comparable scenario would be me being raised by two South-Asian parents. I don't look at Caucasian parents and wish I was raised by them instead.
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I see what you're saying but what about for example a mother that can't have children at the moment, are you telling me she can't feel a void or a longing for a child, because she never knew what it's like to have a child?
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Member Since: 3/8/2014
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Well, though I made some Anti-Gay postings lately I have to say that I support gay marriage. I just don't support the oversexualized part of this "community" and sht like open relationships and people who fcked with 400 people and then wanting a partner for life. Bye.
But yeah, she is so dumb and ungrateful. I only have a dad and I never even had a mom and I'm still alive. I actually never cared about my mom. She was having fun in Spain and other countries and 20 years later she searched the contact with me cuz her father (my grandpa) was dying and all that stuff and I was like, girl bye.
No, a child doesn't need a mother and a father. A child needs two (or one) loving parent.
I'm not sure if I'm gonna get married with a guy because most gays are hypersexual but one thing is for sure, I will definitely have a child. And that child will grow up with one or maybe with two dads. Poor haters. They just can't stop people doing what they want to do. You can ban gay marriage but you can't ban people adopting a child or raising a child in a same sex marriage.
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Member Since: 10/12/2010
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Originally posted by Kali.
Well some clearly do as we are here discussing this article... Idk. I feel like most children would prefer to have a mom and a dad. I'm also saying this in the context of single parents either adopting or doing ivf. I don't feel like that person should deny a child the right to have a mom and a dad. Yes, having two same sex parents or a single parent is better than spending your life in an orphanage but there are also many straight couples willing to adopt.
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You don't seem to understand the whole thing about a child not even realizing what a mother and a father is when it's newly born.
This is what get's learned, these roles etc.
Of course they'll see it on the street, in school etc.
But like I said, the same sex parents WILL inform the child about the other possibilities in life to help him/her understand his home situation and why it's not worse or better than a normal upbringing.
All this **** about denying a child this and that is ******** unless the child you're adopting etc. has already known a father or a mother in his/her life.
THEN they can easily miss something yes even though it's ungrateful most of the times.
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I see what you're saying but what about for example a mother that can't have children at the moment, are you telling me she can't feel a void or a longing for a child, because she never knew what it was to have a child?
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That's not the same thing at all.
A void is created by something being there and then not being there. Wanting a child to fill a void is unhealthy. People like this aren't even supposed have kids.
Wanting a child is different than having a child to fill a void, sorry.
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Member Since: 10/12/2010
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
I don't care.
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Oh child, PLEASE.
You obviously care enough to reply, you're wrong and I'm not the only one saying it, end.
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Except this is more a situation where a daughter wishes she had a relationship with her father, despite having a step-parent. It's got nothing to do with her having lesbian parents - she knew that she was missing a relationship with her biological father from the get-go and she craved it.
This is more about her abandonment by her father, rather than her actually missing A father. I personally DO think I suffered from my lack of paternal guidance (I think it made me a lot softer since I only had one ailing mother to depend on) but her story is just NOT compelling evidence for banning gay marriage.
And if she was my daughter, I'd totally disown her.
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Originally posted by !Blue!
Well firstly her void is there becuase of her ****** dad not because she had 2 mothers.
Secondly if you don't grow up with something your probably won't miss. I grew up without my father and never missed him. I also prefer having one parent. It is what i know and what i am most used to.
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She missed a father figure in her life, not her ****** dad. Maybe she wouldn't have that void if her mother re-married a man.
As for the second part.. well, I prefer having two parents 
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The logic  Ugh
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Originally posted by theoyella jukebox
Could you please link me to where you found these letters?
And you didn't say you WONDERED  you flat out said they did, don't backtrack.
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I never once typed in this thread: same sex children feel a void. I never stated it as fact and you can go back and check all my comment.
I did make a mistake though. I said they've written letters to the Supreme Court (some probably did), but the letters I was thinking of were written to the 5th Judicial Court of Appeal.
You can read them here:
http://www.apa.org/about/offices/ogc/amicus/deleon.pdf
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